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Forum: Pentax Full Frame
10-21-2013, 12:57 PM
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Subjectively you think the 5D II is a joke, but 10x? 100x? 1000x? more gifted, talented, intelligent professionals chose the 5D II over the K-5. Yes of course they will switch, this has been a commonly held sentiment since the K10D, not sure why it didn't happen with the K10 or k20 or k7 or k5 or k5ii...
Oh, I know why, because the assertion that a large majority of Canon/Nikon users are waiting for their eyes to be opened to the superiority of Pentax is unfounded, silly, and arrogant. People can intelligently choose Canon or Nikon for real world benefits, like autofocus, lens lineup, flash support, professional support, or even the much stronger and more active used market. Believe it or not, someone can pick up a Canon/Nikon and a Pentax and choose the Canon/Nikon for objective, intelligent reasons. Mind-blowing I know...
I'm not sure how genius students are relevant, but I was under the impression that non-western markets were still dominated by Canon/Nikon/Sony. New users are certainly an important demographic though.
Your definition of fanboy is probably different than mine, to me a fanboy is someone who refuses to appreciate the benefits of other systems and makes blanket statements like "x has always been better than y". Pentax has done things better than other manufacturers, and for certain usage patterns you could say it is superior, for others you should probably acknowledge that other manufacturers have done it better.
All camera systems have compromises, you choose the features that are important to you and neglect the others.
I think Pentax gets blamed for their lack of advertising too often, the other brands get a lot of free advertising from their users.
Regarding whether or not Pentax could make a profitable full-frame...
Look at Sony's example. They came out with a full-frame A850/A900 real early and, frankly, nobody cared. It was better in some respects and worse in others compared to Canon/Nikon offerings, but their sales certainly didn't reflect it being better in any way. If Pentax came out with a K1 with D800 sensor and IBIS I would buy it, so would many Pentax users and a few people from other systems, but they would probably sell far far fewer than Nikon sold D800's. It probably would not even pay for R&D.
Now look at Sony's A7/R, a really overhyped camera with an INCREDIBLY lacking lens lineup. For a day or two it was #1 on amazon in the camera & photo category, now this isn't super meaningful since these people aren't obligated to pay for it until it ships, and many will cancel, but the K-3 didn't come close in hype/popularity. Was it their advertising, or is the difference that they didn't simply make a stat for stat equivalent to the Canon/Nikon offerings?
Sony did some interesting things with their NEX lineup, they stole a large part of the APS-C market share despite their "humble" beginnings. NEX's are great if you don't need ultra fast autofocus or if you want to adapt old lenses (sound familiar? like a niche that was previously represented by someone else?)
I guess my point is that if making a comparable, even slightly better in some respects APS-C camera repeatedly hasn't been enough to come close to the giants of the industry, why would making a comparable, even slightly better full-frame?
Pentax did something innovative early on with IBIS, have they done anything innovative since then? They allowed you to change lenses on a tiny compact camera sensor, they made a mirrorless k-mount camera that embraced the downsides of mirrorless without any? of the benefits. The first full-frame IBIS camera was introduced 5 years ago by someone else.
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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
02-02-2012, 03:57 AM
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I agree with this.
Each brand has something going for it, if one were universally better -- the others would go out of business! If you really want the best autofocus then canon/nikon are great. If you want a good low-light FF, nikon D700 is good. If you want high MP FF and a good all-around package the 5d M2 is great. Both of these cameras are due for an update though, I would wait and see what they announce. 7D and D7000 are great APS-C cameras as well.
Just realize that you might be giving up something you didn't realize you had with pentax. If 21 / 40 / 70 limited were available in nikon I would buy them in a heartbeat, I think they are an amazing combination of size and performance. In-body SR and a small durable body are great features of pentax as well.
I've never understood the brand loyalty thing, when my friends had nikon or canon cameras I was always thrilled to pick up their cameras and try them out. I could use them effectively right away and sometimes even taught my friends what certain things did. I didn't look down on them because they didn't use the same brand as me and they did not look down on me. We were all photographers!
If I could own all 3 setups(canon/nikon/pentax) I absolutely would. Each has benefits body-wise and each have gems in their lens lineup. Figure out which body and lens system works best for you. You really can't go wrong with any of these 3 systems. Don't feel bad if you don't stick with pentax, and don't feel bad if you do stick with pentax.
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Forum: Pentax K-5 & K-5 II
12-22-2010, 04:25 PM
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Maybe it's about that if you are part of the pentax propaganda machine, others just like to take pictures.
I think I am bothered more by the evangelical pentax community than any technical limitations of its products.
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