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Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 6 Days Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By BigMackCam
Replies: 92
Views: 3,124
Oh man, there are some great posts in this thread, including this one. You, @Rondec and @photoptimist have summarised so many of my thoughts on the matter, some I didn't even realise I had, and prompted me to consider still others...

One of those thoughts is that things are usually more satisfying when you have to work for them - like that ice-cold beer after mowing the lawn on a hot mid-Summer's day, a meal that you spent hours preparing and cooking, a home repair you did yourself instead of getting a tradesman to do it for you, a girl you spent months getting to know before inviting her on a date... or a photo you took that required knowledge and application of photographic fundamentals, and grappling with - even working around - limitations of the equipment.

My smartphone takes great photos and employs all sorts of clever tricks to produce a pleasing end result... but the satisfaction I get from taking a good photo - even one of the same subject or scene - with my DSLR or an old film camera, is completely different. It's not about pixel-peeping image quality, but rather the learned techniques that had to be knowledgeably and skilfully applied... in short, the craft and effort. It doesn't matter to me if the end result looks similar or even identical to the smartphone photo... doesn't matter if the image is one that thousands of others have taken before me, or if their images are way better than mine... the satisfaction of creating something by applying my knowledge and skills is all the reward I need from photography, and the more of my knowledge and skill it requires (even if that's limited compared to others), the greater the satisfaction. Adding more and more functionality and capability to equipment might make certain shots easier and the results more dependable, but it erodes the very thing about photography that gives me enjoyment...
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 6 Days Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By photoptimist
Replies: 92
Views: 3,124
First, inventions are not like hamburgers -- they can't be cranked out on an assembly line day-after-day, year-after-year. Once something is invented, it can't be invented again. Each new invention permanently consumes some chunk of the space of all possible inventions. Sensor technology is near the limits of what silicon sensors can provide. Maybe some exotic new sensor technology (and Foveon ain't it) will eek another stop of dynamic range out of the light levels on this planet but maybe not. Physics places an upper bound on basic camera performance.

Second, many of the more recent inventions (extremes in framerates, video, global shutter) arguably only appeal to a niche audience and might actually turn-off some buyers. Sure, the breathless yammering of influencers and pundits tries to make each new feature a must-have, game-changer disruption of the entire industry. But the truth is that most inventions only bump the needle a little bit (and sometimes in the wrong direction like Sony's global shutter A9). Meanwhile, all of the pre-existing cameras ever built still continue to take decent pictures. The point is that each new invention is both even harder to create and even less likely to capture everyone's interest.

Interest in photography has not waned at all. I'd bet that the number of people taking photographs and the number of photographs taken per person continues to rise. It's just that more and more photographs are taken with smartphones. My wife's iPhone 14 Pro is essentially identical to interchangeable lens camera with a bag of three decent lenses (12, 24, and 75mm equivalent focal lengths). Sure, my Pentax cameras offer much more photographic control, a much wider array of lenses, and better resolution and image quality. But the iPhone takes very acceptable pictures under a wide range conditions. (The ratio of smartphone pictures to "real camera"pictures is nothing new -- I'd bet consumer point-and-shoot camera have always dominated the picture-per-year figures.)

There's also a strong segment of photographers (both established professionals and neophytes) who clamor for simpler cameras, not ones with more and more features. They actually want cameras that provide a more direct experience stripped of all the automagical bells, whistles, and shiny bits of technology that were added only for the sake of claiming the camera has more technology. A key part of that segment is in having more focused cameras that do something especially well rather than trying to do everything for everyone.

Personally, I think Pentax/Ricoh are doing alright in this era of over saturation of technology, especially given their limited resources. The monochrome K3 and forthcoming half-frame film camera epitomize the kinds of new products that are more interesting to actual customers. Rather than bloated technological flagships, maybe it's better to create nice sailboats that put the creativity of photography back in the hands of the photographer.
Forum: Weekly Photo Challenges 04-15-2024, 06:21 AM  
Caption Contest Caption Contest Ending April 19th
Posted By noelcmn
Replies: 10
Views: 548
So Spock left some offspring after the departure of USS Enterprise.
Forum: Pentax K-30 & K-50 04-10-2024, 04:42 PM  
April 8, 2024 Solar Eclipse - 2 1/2 hour eclipse squeezed into a 50 second video
Posted By Blackink
Replies: 6
Views: 454
Disclaimer: I have had NO professional training!!

I was able to put together a few pictures I got of the eclipse into a video editor.

I'm a rookie at using this Pentax K-50, especially on an eclipse-first time. And I'm a rookie at video editing!!

Take with a grain of salt, here's my finished "rough" draft of my handy work, Enjoy:














Youtu.be




Steve in Central Vermont
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 04-09-2024, 09:28 PM  
Poll: Did you photograph the eclipse? Best of Pentax Forums April 10 Poll
Posted By Weevil
Replies: 25
Views: 1,378
In Southern Quebec, Canada
I didn't see the Eclipse trying to manage 3 setups at the same time... :lol:


Éclipse solaire totale du 8 avril 2024 / April 8th 2024 Total Solar Eclipse
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 04-06-2024, 03:22 PM  
What's A Poor Guy To Do?
Posted By mikesbike
Replies: 30
Views: 1,496
Right- ISO 3200 is about the upper limit for just "good" results from any of the K-5 models, including the K-5 IIs, which I still have and sometimes use. As ISO is set to higher values, some degree of diminishment of image quality will be the price to pay. The K-5 series is among the better models in this regard, but best keeping well below ISO 3200 if possible for better quality imaging. The K-5 series does tend to underexpose slightly, no doubt to protect highlights. Exposure comp up by 1/3 stop will be helpful- but under bright outdoor conditions, or when using flash, even this measure won't usually be needed.

In your comparison here, the subject is the same, but the framing is different. In the Pentax shot, there is a lot more wall around the subject. The wall is very light of color. This creates a different response from the camera's meter. vs. having the subject filling more of the frame. "Seeing" all that whiteness, the meter will seek to "normalize" the overall scene by reducing exposure. This is a similar situation to a lesser degree as a snowy scene where the camera's meter is reacting to all the bright snow, resulting in people with dark faces. The thing to do, of course, is to anticipate the meter's reaction in this scene and increase exposure accordingly. In this case, perhaps just 1/2 to 1 stop would do the trick, while in a snowy scene having a lot of snow with fewer dark areas, 2 stops will likely be needed. Some 50 years ago when I first started, SLR cameras had no auto anything. You set your own shutter speed and aperture according to the camera's meter indicator, and the nature of the subject matter. It was by trial and error to learn when to override the camera's meter indication. In this case, this is your gain of experience in this regard. However, for the comparison of the two images, it would be better to get closer in order to equalize the composition.

By all means, avoid shooting with your mode dial set to the green "auto" mode unless handing the camera to some unknowledgeable person who might accidentally nudge a control and ruin the shot they're trying to take with you in it. This mode makes all decisions, cancels use of all controls, and cuts off the user from making any adjustments. If needing fully automatic setting of aperture and shutter speed, use the "P" setting instead, which allows you all access, including the exclusive Pentax Hyper System. If shooting in the "P" mode, and you want a different shutter speed or aperture than what the camera has chosen, you can simply use your thumb or finger to make your choice and the camera will instantly obey! You then override the camer's automation to take control, and are now in Pentax Hyper Program operation! You can instantly shift into Av or Tv mode without having to first change the mode dial setting before making your selection! Very fast and efficient for making changes on the fly. A touch of the green button restores full "P" operation.

In Manual mode, insrtead of twirling controls to get the "proper" exposure, according to the camera's meter reading, you can simply hit the green button to get an instant meter-centered exposure! Great for quickly taking spot-meter readings around a scene. Then if wanting a different shutter speed or aperture than is already set, first hit the AE-L button to lock exposure value, then go ahead and make your choice via thumb or finger and the other will folllow along to preserve your exposure value! This is the Pentax Hyper Manual operation.

With the DA 16-45mm, the main factor you've gained is more wide-angle capability. But there are much better options for this need. I have the Sigma 10-20mm F/3.5 EX DC HSM. If you like WA shots, as I do, it is absolutely wonderful! With patience, you should be able to find one on the used market in fine condition for a reasonable price, but when on a limited budget, one must save up and get there eventually- one lens at a time.

In the meantime, I would recommend getting the DA 18-135mm DC WR lens and selling the DA 16-45mm lens. Much more versatile and useful. Can even do very good closeups. On the K-5 IIs, very fast, quiet, accurate AF. Well-built with WR construction to go with that of your K-5 IIs. If you are under drippy, misty conditions, you can then take shots without concern. Just wipe everything off after returning indoors. I advise getting a new one, because if carried habitually on a strap pointing downward, it tends to develop zoom-creep over time. I've had mine over 10 years, used on a number of bodies, yet it has no zoom creep and remains just liike new. I see B&H is currently running a sale on this lens for $80 off-which dosn't happen all that often. In fact, this sale temps me to get out a credit card and get one as a gift for a dear friend who shoots with a likewise older Pentax DSLR, as it would be much appreciated. The way to protect your gear and also prevent zoom creep is to adopt my habit. I nearly always carry my camera/lens in a cross-shoulders strap & belt-loop holster-type case. A medium-size would do fine for this lens and your others as well. Be sure to get one having the belt loops too, as this increases stability while walking, bicycling, etc. The ones made for mirrorless, for some reason, have only the shoulders strap. Check out the thread in this section "DA 18-135mm DC WR- Show us what it can do" to see many image examples from happy owners. Start with the most recent postings and work backwards.

Your K-5 IIs is a fine camera. The "s" means it has no AA filter, which is usually found as standard on a DSLR of any brand. This filter is there to reduce moire where it is likely to occur- which is not often. It does this via a slight smudging of the moire so it is less visible. However, that filter can also slightly smudge fine detail in many images. Nikon might have been the first to offer their same model without the filter as an option. The Pentax designers apparently thought this to be a good idea, hence the Pentax K-5 II and K-5 IIs. In fact, Pentax engineers evidently, after much testing, have thought this so important, that no subsequent Pentax DSLR models have emerged with the AA filter! Instead, Pentax engineers developed a switchable filter-substitute which can be switched in if needed! To my knowledge, no other brand offers anything of this sort!

Being that your K-5 IIs is a former Pentax flagship, as such it has its "normal" setting of sharpening for JPEG images coming in conservatively low. You can rectify this by modifying settings in the Custom Image menus, especially in the most often-used "Bright" category. You can access these menus via the button to the right of the "ok" button. It might already be on the "Bright" category by default. Go down to the Sharpening adjustment, and you'll see it is already up by one notch, which is default for this category, since it is shown in green. Then, increase this level by yet one more notch. Then- very important- also implemant "Fine Sharpening" via the thumb dial. This will refine sharpenng adjustments for better detail in JPEG images. Once this is done, just hit "ok" and shut off the camera. Turning it back on restores normal screens.
Forum: General Photography 04-04-2024, 05:45 AM  
Even better than a K-1 III
Posted By photoptimist
Replies: 24
Views: 1,387
I want the lens! It's a 10,310 mm f/1.23!

The camera seems to have an 734 mm image circle giving it a crop factor of 1/17 relative to "full frame."

If you want to play the equivalence game, the lens is a 600mm f/0.07.
Forum: General Photography 04-03-2024, 02:49 PM  
Even better than a K-1 III
Posted By Lord Lucan
Replies: 24
Views: 1,387
That's the price new, but I'll wait for one to come up on Ebay.
Forum: General Photography 03-31-2024, 10:12 AM  
Packing for the Eclipse - gear suggestions?
Posted By photoptimist
Replies: 4
Views: 454
First, the more you plan out your shots, the more you will be able to do as well as having time to enjoy the experience.

Your overall plan and equipment roster looks good: one camera focused on the sun and corona while others take wider angle shots of the experience.

Telephoto choice: you might want to test the sharpness of your copies of these lenses yourself on either the sun or moon. That practice will also help you learn: 1) the IQ of your lenses & teleconverter; 2) how to get and keep infinity focus; 2) how much these celestial bodies move over full duration of pre-eclipse to post-eclipse shooting; 3) how to deftly handle the heavy lens, camera, and tripod.

Wider shots: Find out the angular elevation of the sun during the eclipse at your chosen location to help plan the best focal length for shots that encompass the corona, sky, horizon, and landscape. If you multiply the elevation angle of the sun by 1.5X, you get the required lens angle of view for a shot that is 1/6th landscape, 2/3rd horizon and sky below the sun, and 1/6th sky above the sun. A 2X factor provides 1/3rd landscape, 1/3rd horizon+lower sky, 1/3rd upper sky but that may be too wide unless you do a panoramic crop. You might think about both portrait and landscape orientation variants of these shots.

Time Lapse: You might also set up a time lapse camera with a wide angle lens (the GR or a smartphone?) positioned to see you, your equipment, and the eclipse that you run for the minutes or even hours before, during, and after the eclipse - it can create a fun time lapse movie of your experience.

Other lenses: The only missing bit of gear might be a wider-angle lens for K-1. Depending on how high the sun is, you might need a full-frame lens wider than 24mm to get good landscape+eclipse images.

Other gear: A count-down timer with an alarm can help you keep track of time, especially to be ready for the reappearance of Baily's beads or diamond ring effects at the end of totality.


Have a wonderful time!
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 03-11-2024, 05:27 AM  
Raw vs jpeg
Posted By Lowell Goudge
Replies: 49
Views: 2,164
Many times, especially in finer restaurants the chef determines how your food is cooked, and seasoned, and is insulted if you “suggest” or request it be done differently, and you know what, usually they are right.

So if we stop talking about cameras and lenses it will curb your CBA and LBA also:hmm:

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The whole discussion of RAW vs JPEG is something that has been going on since the onset of digital photography. And there are many myths and errors that have propagated along the way.

The biggest myth is that JPEG can’t be post processed, it can, but with limitations. It can be sharpened, lightened, darkened, colour adjusted, corrected for lens aberrations and distortions, but you need to remember that you are dealing first and foremost with 8bit vs 16 bit colour depth, so large adjustments can lead to colour banding.

The next biggest myth is that it is compressed, and I will separate that out from the question of colour depth. There are two types of compression in jpeg images, one you can control, the other you can’t. Within the JPEG file format, there is Mathematical compression where pixels are grouped in sets of similar parameters, and given a value, which allows for file compression, depending on the amount of compression used, this can leave artifacts in the image. If you select the highest quality JPEG in the camera, it does not do this, but the result is a bigger image file but you get no artifacts at the other end. The other compression is of the exposure scale. JPEG images have an exposure latitude of about 11 stops. And you can in fact measure this with your camera and a simple test. Starting at complete black at greyscale value of 0 and complete white at a grey scale of 255, the first stop above or below these limits is 3 or 252 greyscale respectively. The next stop is about another 7-10 greyscale or 10-13 at the low end and 242-239 at the high end, the next stop is about another 20-25 greyscale or 33-38 at the low end and 222-217 at the high end. The middle 5 1/2 stops are spread almost uniformly across the middle range in steps of about 40 greyscale per f stop. This means that the real detail is stored in about 5 1/2 stops across the middle of the exposure.

What the raw image gives largely is more detail in the limits of exposure, so if you for example really miss the exposure by 3-4 stops, you can somewhat recover the image. It also, due to the increased colour depth, gives a little finer definition of the individual stops so that large adjustments don’t result in as much banding as with 8 bit.

This is really the difference between the two.

As an aside, the is another benefit to at least working your jpeg settings, as they generate the image thumbnail for your raw image, and in many photo editors, act as the starting point for adjustments made to the raw file.
Forum: Weekly Photo Challenges 02-29-2024, 06:49 AM  
Caption Contest Caption Contest -Feb 29- 6 March 2024
Posted By gump
Replies: 10
Views: 535
I taught Clint Eastwood this stare.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 03-05-2024, 05:48 AM  
Is there any 50/1.4 ( m42) doesn't yellow?
Posted By Lowell Goudge
Replies: 16
Views: 803
I would cut this sentence out of your response. I find the mania about “radio active lenses” is way over stated. There is radiation all around us, and the reason thorium glass is no longer used has nothing to do with the end user, it is the ingestion/inhalation of fine dust, by the workers during grinding and polishing that is the issue with this glass,
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 02-24-2024, 02:41 PM  
FF/BF issues with K3-3 and DFA* 50 1.4
Posted By pschlute
Replies: 80
Views: 2,695
I will say again.... unambiguous target
Forum: Photographic Technique 02-23-2024, 08:27 PM  
Spectra for Various Light Sources
Posted By Blackwing1
Replies: 9
Views: 670
Thank you for taking the time to calibrate your spectrograph and provide us the results; this was a fun read. The "spikiness" of the fluorescent sources is pretty much to be expected, given the limited types of phosphors that fluoresce on the inside surface of their glass tubes. I'm a little surprised at the extreme spikes in the Philips LED bulbs, though. Most of other vendors have figured out how to smooth those output curves.

Now I'm wondering about the spectral transmission through our camera lenses. How do the older Super-Tak's and the mid-technology SMC-Takumar's stack up against modern lenses with ED elements and hyper-super-multi-coatings in terms of transmission losses at different wavelengths? I wonder because I've already commented elsewhere that I feel my old SMC's (55/f1.8 and 135/f2.5) make the red's and orange end of the spectrum really pop regardless of light source. Maybe they just transmit a larger portion of that range of the spectrum.

It's fun to note that the human eye takes advantage of the spectrum most available from our sun. Here's a graph showing the wavelength vs. intensity outside the atmosphere and at sea level for Earth:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Solar-radiation-This-graph-shows-the-rad...fig9_221913224
The range of light visible to us takes full advantage of where sunlight is brightest.
Forum: Photographic Technique 02-23-2024, 11:10 PM  
Spectra for Various Light Sources
Posted By Medex
Replies: 9
Views: 670
Thank you.
Interestng read.
I could say from practice that FLDs, LED lights are poor for infrared photography. And it is obvious assuming their light emission spectra. Halogen light source is much better. But xenon lamp would probably be best due to relatively flat spectrum from 350 to 800 nm (for color and infrared).
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330372622_Recent_Progress_in_Solar_...ations/figures
Forum: Photographic Technique 02-24-2024, 07:09 AM  
Spectra for Various Light Sources
Posted By photoptimist
Replies: 9
Views: 670
Fantastic work, AstroDave!

Now you need a large prism to put in front of your camera and a point or line light source so you can characterize the response curve of your cameras on one of your light sources.

The scanner light source is interesting because a 3-peak light source would improve the scanner's ability to get a clean color separation when scanning the 3 colors of dyes in negatives or slides. But such a light source would be inferior when trying to use the scanner on art work because art uses a much wider palette of pigments with more complex spectra.

P.S. I've got an astronomer friend who bought a large prism, mounted it front of a astrograph lens to take images of planetary nebulae. Because the nebulae mostly emit in a series of sharp spectral lines, the result is an image with little copies of the nebulae in each spectral line.
Forum: Photographic Technique 02-24-2024, 09:25 AM  
Spectra for Various Light Sources
Posted By c.a.m
Replies: 9
Views: 670
Great lab work! I love this sort of thing.

Maybe the post could be placed in the Member-submitted Articles subforum? (@Adam ?)

- Craig
Forum: Photographic Technique 02-24-2024, 09:02 AM  
Spectra for Various Light Sources
Posted By JensE
Replies: 9
Views: 670
Thanks for the well structured write-up and relevant choice of light sources. Excellent work on the calibration!
Forum: Film SLRs and Compact Film Cameras 02-24-2024, 03:37 AM  
It's the Battle of the Titans! Nikon N2020 VS Canon EOS 650
Posted By Driline
Replies: 33
Views: 1,323
Not by me. These are straight from camera corner and whatever method they use to digitize negatives.

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:)
Welcome to Iowa :)

---------- Post added 02-24-24 at 04:41 AM ----------

Photos were taken at the same time and developed at the same time.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 02-21-2024, 06:02 AM  
Poll: It's a total eclipse, but is it art? Best of Pentax Forums Feb. 21 poll
Posted By jgnfld
Replies: 31
Views: 2,086
It's passing by me quite closely and I have an AirBnB booked with family. That said, April in Newfoundland has pretty low odds of seeing anything but rain, drizzle, and fog. When Hyakataki came by years back I was only able to see it on ONE night--hapily that was the night of closest approach.

Expect a photo entitled "Confused Seagulls in Dark Fog" in a couple of months.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 02-21-2024, 03:48 AM  
Poll: It's a total eclipse, but is it art? Best of Pentax Forums Feb. 21 poll
Posted By OzzRod
Replies: 31
Views: 2,086
No, I'm waiting for the July 2028 version that's going to pass diagonally across the Australian continent, with totality passing through parts of Sydney.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 02-14-2024, 05:09 AM  
Poll: Are film cameras pizza or Damascus Steel? Best of Pentax Forums Feb. 14 poll
Posted By AAlfano
Replies: 47
Views: 2,427
Now I want a brand new Spotmatic made of Damascus steel.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 02-13-2024, 05:48 PM  
Why highlights are clipped at +2.5 EV ?
Posted By Wheatfield
Replies: 137
Views: 3,961
The Zone system was intended to allow full tonal reproduction onto the B&W paper of the day which did not have 10 stops of range (maybe 6 at best IIRC).
A far better exposure method than the Zone System, and one which I picked up on was a method that Fred Picker introduced that involved metering for the brightest part of the scene that was wanting detail kept and setting that at Zone VIIII.
This method translates to digital much better than St. Ansel's method because we can dig detail out of shadows but we can't pluck anything from a clipped highlight.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 02-13-2024, 03:43 PM  
Why highlights are clipped at +2.5 EV ?
Posted By Lowell Goudge
Replies: 137
Views: 3,961
I disagree with your example, the same amount of data exists above and below the middle grey in an 8 bit image. There are 128 in each half of the scale, because the 8th bit is the most significant bit it tells you really simply whether the remaining 7 bits are above or below the middle grey line and nothing more.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 02-13-2024, 10:08 AM  
Why highlights are clipped at +2.5 EV ?
Posted By Lowell Goudge
Replies: 137
Views: 3,961
Actually they are compressed at both ends
no the zone system cuts the exposure into 10 shades of white to black, why do they need to be linear, or follow a square rule? why doesn’t the EV value double either? What has been done is someone has taken the square function and expressed it as a linear function. That’s all

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When you use highlight and shadow preserve functions in JPEG yes, you get that but the camera still needs to decide what the “nominal value for the whole image is the rest, once the camera decides on this nominal value is what you get. Period. The camera otherwise does not really do anything other than determine the “nominal” exposure
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