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Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 1 Hour Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By StiffLegged
Replies: 56
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What "way" has the camera industry actually pursued, whether you think it has lost its way or not? I'd suggest the industry has been, for a century or so, finding solutions to problems which make making photographs difficult for the general public.

Once someone had the bright idea of coating clear film with the photosensitive emulsion, photography escaped the clunking glass or metal plates for sheet film and shortly after, roll film. The Box Brownie was one way of using this and made its manufacturer a lot of money selling them, and the film, to the public at large. Refinements followed: different sizes of roll film, reusing 35mm cine film (Leica), different picture formats for the same roll, but all refinements on the first good idea.

Away from large format field cameras, nobody had a truly accurate viewfinder: twin-lens reflexes were better, but were still inaccurate close up, viewfinders mounted close to the lens axis suffered the same. The single-lens reflex was a real solution, with a mirror which was swung out of the lens's path before tripping the shutter, but the image on the ground-glass viewfinder screen was reversed left-to-right. Refinements followed: tripping the shutter also flipped the mirror, a loupe built into the viewfinder hood made focusing easier, a pentaprism did away with the image reversal and the mirror was made to return to the viewing position after making the exposure without the user doing it manually.

Focussing has always been a problem: rangefinders can measure the distance to a subject and were incorporated in compact non-reflex cameras: coupling the lens to the rangefinder was the obvious refinement. Reflex cameras showed the image on a ground glass screen so the user could tell if focus had been achieved. Refinements included areas of extra-fine ground glass, microprisms and split-image circles for better accuracy and a fresnel lens to improve brightness.

Exposure timing was first achieved with a lens cap, but faster emulsions and lenses needed a reliable timed shutter. Leaf shutters were followed by focal-plane shutters, until mechanics gave way to electronic timing, exposure timing could be as short as 1/8000th of a second or stretch to many minutes: these are all refinements on the same theme.

The next big step (arguably) was to include exposure metering based only on what the user saw through the viewfinder: TTL metering had arrived. Refinements followed: centre-weighted, spot, integrating, incorporating the meter with the shutter to make the process automatic. Further refinements gave us variable aperture automatics, "Program" setting varying both shutter speed and aperture, exposure compensation and exposure lock for "difficult" scenarios, metering directly off the film during long exposures, "modes" for sports, portrait, landscape etc.

Then manufacturers solved the TTL-based focusing conundrum and the SLR gained autofocus. Refinements brought phase-detect instead of contrast-based methods, focus sensors grew more complex, more accurate, and covered more of the viewfinder area, some pro cameras introduced subject tracking. Focus motors were moved from the camera body to the lenses and got both quieter and faster.

After a lot of R&D, Kodak lost their way by consigning their pioneering digital photography to the back store. Others picked up on digital and started running and Kodak never recovered from their blunder. The digital photography era started and users loved being able to see straight away what they'd shot instead of getting film developed first and professionals discovered their film & processing budget was slashed by going digital.

Digital ILCs have been refining ever since, in resolution available and in features. The speed at which data could be retrieved from the camera's image sensor climbed, making higher and higher frame rates possible and it also became practical to use it for high-resolution video. The dynamic range has also climbed to easily exceed that of film. The high data rates also made it possible to base the viewfinder on an electronic device reading directly from the camera sensor instead of an optical viewfinder, removing the need for a reflex mirror and its mechanism.

The high data rate read from sensors means software can now automate even more of the business of making a photograph, or recording video. Focusing using the sensor data instead of a separate focus sensor means the whole image area can potentially be read for focus. Focus tracking can now cover almost the whole sensor area and software can detect and track faces, eyes, birds, animals if written to do so. I would argue that these are not new problems solved, but refinements of existing solutions. The latest global shutter sensor(s) likewise.



Since the manufacturers have solved so many of the problems users faced and continue refining their solutions, making it very easy for a user to accurately view, focus, expose and also immediately review a photograph, what justification have we for suggesting they have lost their way?

Or is the problem that we can't imagine what the Next Big Idea will be and worry that there's none coming?
Forum: Post Your Photos! 7 Hours Ago  
Landscape What you see with your eyes in the morning along the South Rim ...
Posted By RICHARD L.
Replies: 3
Views: 85
Driving slowly along Route 64, I hopped out of my van to admire this sight at 7h00 in the morning. K1 + DFA 28-105 mm HD at 45 mm FL and f/11.
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 6 Hours Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By photoptimist
Replies: 56
Views: 1,769
The diversity (and divergence) of comments on this thread show that maybe the original question of the thread rests on a false premise. Perhaps the industry has not lost its way because there is no one way to go.

Some people want more and more resolution while others find a 6 MPix K10D to be adequate (with more pixels just being more of a burden).

Some people want the fastest AF and frame rates while others revel in the enforced delays and constraints of a slower camera.

Some people love the complexity of all the modes of metering, AF, white balance, digital filters, and time lapse controls while others seek simple elegance.

Some people pixel peep and demand corner-to-corner micro-contrast perfection from every lens while others eschew clinical perfection for evocative form and tonality.


Under such conditions no single camera or lens can ever grab everyone's attention or lead the photographic world into the future. And that is because "the future" is not a single destination, it is an ever enlarging world of choices in styles and approaches to photography that foster a diverging range of equipment.
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 12 Hours Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By Rondec
Replies: 56
Views: 1,769
If you read what I say in context, you will understand that I wasn't saying that these specifications aren't useful, but that their usefulness has a much more focused audience. Other than occasionally taking photos of my cat and dog (well and I did take some photos of our chickens too), it isn't something that I care about much. Many people are like me, although for a few these are killer features that they couldn't do without.

Maybe I could say that I think about what I said -- slowing down and appreciating the journey -- when I am shooting with my K-01. It is a slow camera that can basically do 1 fps in RAW, but it is still capable of taking decent photos if you turn it the right way...

Sunrise by Vincent1825, on Flickr

Barn at Dawn by Vincent1825, on Flickr

Winter Road by Vincent1825, on Flickr

Of course none of these are wildlife images, but I do remember the circumstances of each one and the light on that particular day. Maybe that's why I still using my K-01, even if my cell phone camera has better specs.
Forum: General Talk 1 Day Ago  
Thinking about getting an Internet radio
Posted By MarkJerling
Replies: 12
Views: 298
Les, an option that you may consider is to simply use an app. No radio purchase necessary!
The best one that I have found, on Android, for data security is Simple Radio. See: Simple Radio: Live AM FM Radio - Apps on Google Play
Forum: General Talk 1 Day Ago  
Thinking about getting an Internet radio
Posted By RobA_Oz
Replies: 12
Views: 298
I’d originally thought to buy a DAB radio when our old AM/FM unit gave up the ghost, so, while I was searching around and discovering all sorts of options, I simply hooked up my phone/tablet to an existing small-but-not-tiny JBL bluetooth sound unit, which did the job well, without adding to our hardware load, and which provided better audio than many of the less-exotic dedicated units (I’d been seriously considering the Bose unit up until then). Then, after some house renovations that required dismantling all my audio equipment, while re-establishing our Sonos system, I discovered the vast spectrum of internet streaming “radio” stations available via the software. So, the only dedicated DAB+FM/AM units we now have are in our motorcars. A case, you might say, of less is more. ;)
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 1 Day Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By Madaboutpix
Replies: 56
Views: 1,769
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, ..." Charles Dickens opened his classic novel A Tale of Two Cities, but to my mind, he could have also talked about the state of photography in 2024. We have these nothing short of awesome tools at our disposal - the cameras, the lenses, the software - and yet large demographics seem to have lost interest in taking the time to really view and appreciate photographs, at least in the way we used to. Even those moments - it must have been in the early 2010s - when at family gatherings people might take turns at summoning their latest photos on a computer monitor for the rest of the family to admire or just look at now feel like a distant memory. And, yes, as with any maturing technology, the giant leaps of innovation are over, advancements have become more incremental, and genuinely new product releases are a mere trickle. This is particularly true for Pentax, which Ricoh has wisely chosen to position as a niche brand catering to discerning photographers who happen to enjoy both the process and the results of photography, rather than committing it to its sure death in the maelstrom of the built-in obsolescence game.

Now, we can fall into despair about all this, or we can have a blast with what we still have, and make the people around us curious what this strange passion might be all about. It may help to signal to the manufacturers that for us as buyers there's more to photography than impressive spec sheets, but otherwise, I'm afraid we will have to carry the fire ourselves in a way. Mostly by quietly showing how much we're still enjoying ourselves, and occasionally sharing what we produce while doing so. The less obtrusive we go about that, the better. No one takes up photography who constantly gets it rubbed in the face what a great hobby photography is and why they're not picking up a real camera to practice it. Just my two bits.
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 1 Day Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By photoptimist
Replies: 56
Views: 1,769
First, inventions are not like hamburgers -- they can't be cranked out on an assembly line day-after-day, year-after-year. Once something is invented, it can't be invented again. Each new invention permanently consumes some chunk of the space of all possible inventions. Sensor technology is near the limits of what silicon sensors can provide. Maybe some exotic new sensor technology (and Foveon ain't it) will eek another stop of dynamic range out of the light levels on this planet but maybe not. Physics places an upper bound on basic camera performance.

Second, many of the more recent inventions (extremes in framerates, video, global shutter) arguably only appeal to a niche audience and might actually turn-off some buyers. Sure, the breathless yammering of influencers and pundits tries to make each new feature a must-have, game-changer disruption of the entire industry. But the truth is that most inventions only bump the needle a little bit (and sometimes in the wrong direction like Sony's global shutter A9). Meanwhile, all of the pre-existing cameras ever built still continue to take decent pictures. The point is that each new invention is both even harder to create and even less likely to capture everyone's interest.

Interest in photography has not waned at all. I'd bet that the number of people taking photographs and the number of photographs taken per person continues to rise. It's just that more and more photographs are taken with smartphones. My wife's iPhone 14 Pro is essentially identical to interchangeable lens camera with a bag of three decent lenses (12, 24, and 75mm equivalent focal lengths). Sure, my Pentax cameras offer much more photographic control, a much wider array of lenses, and better resolution and image quality. But the iPhone takes very acceptable pictures under a wide range conditions. (The ratio of smartphone pictures to "real camera"pictures is nothing new -- I'd bet consumer point-and-shoot camera have always dominated the picture-per-year figures.)

There's also a strong segment of photographers (both established professionals and neophytes) who clamor for simpler cameras, not ones with more and more features. They actually want cameras that provide a more direct experience stripped of all the automagical bells, whistles, and shiny bits of technology that were added only for the sake of claiming the camera has more technology. A key part of that segment is in having more focused cameras that do something especially well rather than trying to do everything for everyone.

Personally, I think Pentax/Ricoh are doing alright in this era of over saturation of technology, especially given their limited resources. The monochrome K3 and forthcoming half-frame film camera epitomize the kinds of new products that are more interesting to actual customers. Rather than bloated technological flagships, maybe it's better to create nice sailboats that put the creativity of photography back in the hands of the photographer.
Forum: Photographic Equipment for Sale 1 Day Ago  
For Sale: [MINTY] PENTAX RICOH K20D DSLR with the 2 KIT ZOOM LENSES
Posted By 35mmfilmfan
Replies: 2
Views: 194
May I point out (as a pedant) that the word 'Minty' merely means the item tastes of mint or peppermint. The expression 'Mint' indicates that it is in unused condition, and is taken from a description of GB coins exactly as issued by the Royal Mint - i.e. uncirculated.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 1 Day Ago  
Film camera news
Posted By Lord Lucan
Replies: 334
Views: 17,652
Even better, the K1000 was using the established facilities of its particular predecessor, the KM (to which it was identical other than the removal of a couple of features), which in turn used the established facilities for its predecessor the Spotmatic F, the KM being effectively an SP F with a K-mount.


Won't happen, although they might reproduce the name and make an SLR that looks similar. To keeps costs from going ballistic the shutter will need to be a modern electronic off-the-shelf one (albeit constrained between 1 and 1/1000 sec), and the meter is unlikely to use the CdS photocell for that authentic early 1970's sluggish feeling. Hopefully they would re-instate the self-timer that was removed from the KM, to let us take some selfies.
Forum: Visitors' Center 1 Day Ago  
best K10D settings for headhots - in studio with single key light & reflector cards
Posted By pschlute
Replies: 3
Views: 186
Only one sensible setting for that.... Manual
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 1 Day Ago  
Film camera news
Posted By EssJayEff
Replies: 334
Views: 17,652
Just FYI as a point of reference: the Pentax K1000 with a 55mm f/2 lens cost around $200 USD in August 1976. In December 2023, the equivalent was $1,074.42—a 437.21% cumulative rate of inflation.
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 1 Day Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By Rondec
Replies: 56
Views: 1,769
I shared some of this in a since closed thread, but in general, I think camera brands need to be looking at something different. I thought that Pentax did a little better in the past at focusing on the experience of photography rather than just the gadgets we use to take those photos.

Most of us aren't professional photographers. We don't need 20 frames per second or "Moose Eye Recognition" on our cameras. We do want nicely exposed, sharp images. At the same time, if we lose the joy of making photographs -- if the tools we use no longer provide some degree of satisfaction, we will burn out. I am convinced that this is why so many people stop the hobby after a while. You come to realize that every image you take has been taken by someone else -- only better, your camera does all of the work for you, and other than posting occasional images to social media for people to express their "likes" of your work it seems to have little purpose (and you get just as many likes with your cell phone pics). Eventually, even the dopamine hit you used to get from social media likes goes away.

This is the banality of photography.

The solution is to slow down and appreciate the journey and the tools you use along the way.

Someone mentioned film photography in this thread and I imagine film will continue to be a niche market, but I don't see it going away because film gets people to slow down, to experience photography in a tactile way that digital photography doesn't, and makes people delay gratification until the roll is done.

There is a reason why some people choose to go to monasteries to meditate and experience a simpler life. In a world where everything is super charged and moving at break neck speeds, maybe it is helpful to have a hobby that moves just a little slower. Maybe living life at 120 frames per second isn't just unnecessary, it is damaging to people who see the world at a maximum of 60 hertz.
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 1 Day Ago  
Did camera industry lost its way?
Posted By robgski
Replies: 56
Views: 1,769
I saw a lot of 20 and 30 year old hipsters walking around Montreal with film cameras, and at several events I saw that same crowd toting SonCaNikon digital cameras around , so photography using purpose built cameras remains an interest.
Biz’s comments make me think he wants artisanal cameras to meet a niche market. The three manufacturers he mentioned already do that and will probably do so as long as there is a market, and Ricoh at least will continue to add in improved tech when they see fit. Leica and Hasselblad probably have less impetus to make big changes since people buy those brands for what they represent and deliver.
Forum: Post Your Photos! 1 Day Ago  
Machinery A real MG
Posted By betchern0t
Replies: 8
Views: 171
I dedicate this to eaglem who hangs up here who really loves the American muscle cars. Here is a classic British muscle car from the 1950s. Probably my favourite MG. I have mixed feelings about the new MGs out of China. Glad the marque is continuing but sad they are run of the mill cars.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 1 Day Ago  
Poll: Do you carry a pocket camera? Best of Pentax Forums April 17 Poll
Posted By Sandy Hancock
Replies: 44
Views: 1,578
Really?





Forum: Vintage Cameras and Equipment 2 Days Ago  
Just what did pentax do? ? ? ? Or not do!
Posted By pschlute
Replies: 26
Views: 858
Yes, really.

Thread closed.
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 2 Days Ago  
Problem with New Lenses - Is it Me?
Posted By Art319
Replies: 22
Views: 1,126
Thanks for all the advice on why my new camera lens didn't work. The advice to calm down and think logically was the best, but sometimes hardest to do.

Through a local camera store I found an independent camera technician that had a Pentax body to test my old lens on and it worked fine. So it was the camera body. He showed me the two contacts inside the body that many of you mentioned, and explained the screw driven focusing system of the older lenses compared to the motor driven focusing of the newer Pentax lenses. I have been to two different camera repair shops over the months and talked to a third, and none of them mentioned this and probably didn't know. I don't think they had a Pentax body to test it on.

I did try cleaning the contacts and it didn't work, so there must be something going on inside the body. I need the camera, so for now I'm just going to use my older lenses. Later I'll go back to this technician and see if he can fix it.

Thanks for your help.
Forum: Vintage Cameras and Equipment 2 Days Ago  
Just what did pentax do? ? ? ? Or not do!
Posted By UncleVanya
Replies: 26
Views: 858
No. The Pentax zooms off those ranges aren’t all garbage mechanically. That’s terrible luck on your part. No they aren’t all stellar optically either.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 2 Days Ago  
Film camera news
Posted By wkraus
Replies: 334
Views: 17,652
You clearly need a reversal development. But stay away from cross processing.
Forum: Site Suggestions and Help 2 Days Ago  
Question Malicous Scam Advertising and Viruses
Posted By Adam
Replies: 4
Views: 221
Thanks for sharing this. The only ads we are run are Google Adsense, which exclusively determines the content. If you typically/only use privacy browsers, I wonder if you're seeing lower-quality ads because Google doesn't know what else to show you?

I've gone ahead and blocked the domains you pictured above and will be reviewing a sample of ads to see if there are any other low hanging fruit. The ones I have come across are predominantly shopping or camera-related...

I'd say the best thing you can do is report any malicious ads below, because if they are shown to some users here, they're likely also affecting even more on other sites:
How to report an ad - Google Ads Help



Not quite, unfortunately, but if you make a donation you won't be shown any ads on the forum.
Forum: Site Suggestions and Help 2 Days Ago  
Question Malicous Scam Advertising and Viruses
Posted By Aging Violinist
Replies: 4
Views: 221
Interesting. I use Firefox and I just opened a "private browser window" (something akin to "incognito mode" on chrome variants, I think). The reason I did this is because I have all browser plugins disabled for private windows except adblock. I manually disabled adblock and went to this site and even without adblock, I didn't see any ads at all, malicious or otherwise.

I then tried it on my phone using apple's default browser (safari, i think) and also saw nothing as far as ads or malicious content.

Now, I should mention that my firewall has some sort of ad-blocking functionality built-in, so maybe that's why, but nothing at all was weird about the site in firefox or safari on my phone.
Forum: Vintage Cameras and Equipment 2 Days Ago  
Just what did pentax do? ? ? ? Or not do!
Posted By OrchidJulie
Replies: 26
Views: 858
Please, no shouting.
Forum: General Talk 2 Days Ago  
Are we conditioned to spend ?
Posted By RobA_Oz
Replies: 65
Views: 1,212
Next time I’m in the UK, I must find out where you can still get good fish and chips. My last few visits saw plenty of curry houses and the like, but fish and chip shops, which used to be the overwhelming majority of take-away in Britain, were nowhere to be found. Clearly, they’ve become only for the elite few! :D
Forum: Welcomes and Introductions 3 Days Ago  
Hello everyone, I am a pentax user from China 🤓🤓🤓
Posted By xilige2005
Replies: 7
Views: 229
我的第一台相机是k70,他的操控性及其色彩令我十分喜爱,现在我拥有了k1m2,我相信我能拍出更好的照片

My first camera was a k70. I loved its handling and colors. Now that I have a k1m2, I believe I can take better photos.
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