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Forum: General Talk
02-06-2012, 03:03 AM
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That's exactly what I was saying, and Iran is nothing but a bully, trying to bully the world into buying their oil when it's the worlds choice as to who they wish to buy from.
You just proved my case I was making even though you seem to be against it and like to make personal attacks in violation of this forums rules.
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Forum: General Talk
01-30-2012, 12:28 AM
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Yes it is still them (Iran) being morons.
It may come earlier than they (The EU) had planned for but they still planned on NOT having Iran's oil.
Iran needs to sell their oil which is why they are pissed that the EU won't buy it from them. So they refuse to sell it? thereby shooting themselves in the foot and causing the very thing they fear (not selling their oil).
MORONS! on every level.
Iran is nothing more than a bully. And a weak one at that. They rely on fear and intimidation to keep their own people in control and they think fear and intimidation works on other countries as well. And to a few smaller countries it may. But not so America and the EU and other major countries. We call a bully a bully and call them on their threats and what does Iran do? NOTHING. Because they are bullies.
They threatened a US carrier battle-group not to return or they will be destroyed and intimated to the world that the carrier left due to Iranian threats. The Carrier left because she had commitments elsewhere and could care less of Iranian threats. The replacement carrier showed up on time and on schedule and not a whimper of protest much less action on the part of the Iranians.
I have stated it elsewhere on this thread and other sites. Iran has ZERO ability to win a military confrontation with just a single carrier battlegroup. much less that we can field multiple carrier battlegroups and that is JUST the US Navy, throw in our Marines, Air Force, and Army....
It'll be a slaughter and Iran knows it.
We called their bluff, and Iran knows it is holding a pair of deuces.
It's time for them to fold.
But they're morons, so they won't. They'll keep on bluffing that they have a full house even with their cards face up on the table.
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Forum: General Talk
01-29-2012, 01:26 PM
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Do the Morons in Tehran even understand what an Embargo is?
I ran across a person on another site that also was screwed up in just what an "embargo" is. They thought it was a "blockade" which of course is something else entirely.
A blockade means you are cutting off a country's ability to sell or buy goods from other countries.
An embargo on the other hand simply means a country refuses to buy from or sell to another country. Every country in the world has the right of self determination. they have the RIGHT to decide who they wish to buy and sell from. And as long as the other country is willing to buy and sell from them as well...then you have a trade agreement.
Iran acts as though other countries HAVE to buy from THEM (Iran). Guess what Iran... If they don't like you, they can buy elsewhere! they have that right!
And again... Iran is preparing to BAN sales to the EU... Just what sales are being banned if they (The EU) are refusing to buy from them?
As I said... they're MORONS!!!!
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Forum: General Talk
12-30-2011, 05:20 AM
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I can guarantee you that from the very moment Iran started making threats to close the gulf, the US and her allies have had a 24 hour, 7 days a week coverage on the straits monitoring every Iranian military vessel. P-3 Orions are extremely fuel efficient and can even shut down several engines in flight to conserve fuel once on station. they also have radars capable of spotting a 55 gallon drum barrel in the water from over 50 miles away. a small ship from 100's of miles off. The strait is only about 35 miles wide.
FLIR is accurate enough to tell if the jagoff taking a whizz off the stern of the Iranian mine-layer has a fever or not!
The moment the Iranian star laying mines, we would be all over them and if they refuse to stop... well... they'll go the way of the Iran Ajr. Straight to the bottom of the strait.
Iran would never be able to get more than a handful of mines into the water before we stopped them. And those few mines would immediately be noted and marked as a hazard to navigation until such time as EOD could remove them.
Iran cannot close the strait. They can attempt it. maybe hurt a handful of ships with their ASM's before we take them out. But they never will have the ability to actually close it. The moment they try, all their naval assets would simply cease to exist via the USN and USAF.
Iran knows this as well. That's why they are either all bluster and talk, or extremely unhinged mentally.
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Forum: General Talk
12-29-2011, 09:44 PM
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Well my name would be a small hint for starters, LOL. USS Halsey CG-23, A Leahy class Guided Missile Cruiser. Spent most my time aboard her up until her decommissioning and getting turned into razor blades. My Second ship I served on until I got out. USS Kitty Hawk CV-63.
Kitty Hawk's been to the Land of Oz a few times though never when I was aboard her thanks to that newly dead dictator Kim Jong Il. 1994 being one of those years where Kim Jong decided he wanted some more stuff so he gets it the only way he knows how... throwing tantrums about his nuclear reactors until the west gives in and gives him what he wants in return for him not doing what he was doing.... at least until he wants some more stuff and it starts all over again. We planned to hit a few good liberty ports and Sydney was one mentioned, but due to his tantrums, the battle Cat had to remain with X number of hours steaming of strike range of the NorKs.
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Forum: General Talk
12-29-2011, 08:55 PM
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Ah Australia!
One of the very few countries I wanted to see but never got the chance too on multiple WESTPAC deployments. Been dang near everywhere else though!
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Forum: General Talk
12-29-2011, 08:52 PM
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While I agree with you concerning the article by Mr Gaffney, I find your assessment to be, while well intentioned, to be completely lacking in actual knowledge. More of the Armchair quarterbacking variety.
The SUNBURN only poses a Near zero threat to the US Navy only because Iran does not have them. The Missiles themselves are actually a very dangerous threat if Iran was to have them.
Your post, specifically these lines:
Shows me you haven't looked at a map much. The US Navy HAS to pass within point blank range of those things to get into the gulf. The strait is very narrow and even the older missiles have more than enough range to cross from the Iranian side all the way over to Oman and UAE. At the ranges they would be fired from in the strait, that would be classified as close enough to surprise us.
US Policy in the strait is to transit at high speed to minimize the time within the threat envelope, and to do so at full condition I readiness (Meaning at General Quarters). I should know... I have spent many a long fraking day at GQ to include spending all of one particularly memorable Christmas Day going through the strait. We don't do that for Missiles that posed almost zero threat to us.
I cannot go into details but I HAVE seen classified reports detailing the studies of the effectiveness of the SS-N-22 vs USN defenses. I had to as part of my primary responsibility of Anti-ship missile defense. I can and will tell you that the threat this missile represented at the time is not being exaggerated by Mr. Gaffey. What's being exaggerated is his claim of Iran even having them. Since that report, there have been numerous modifications and improvements on our defensive systems to combat the specific threat of the Moskit/SUNBURN missile. We have NOT reduced that threat to Near Zero however. Not even close by a longshot.
The one thing Gaffey did get absolutely correct is his assessment of our having allowed ourselves to get surpassed in the area of Anti-ship missiles. We (The USA) have but two missiles. and one of those is no longer really used in the Anti-Ship role anymore. leaving one missile across the board and that missile while pretty good, does have shortcomings which have been addressed and eliminated by other designs not used by the US.
The two Anti-ship missiles are Harpoon and Tomahawk. Thought the ASM version of Tomahawk (TASM) is no longer used. it now being primarily a Land attack missile. (TLAM)
Harpoon has been upgraded over the years and successive models have improved the range and guidance packages but it is still the same old 70's era missile.
Russia has whole families of various missiles.
The Yakhonts missile that was briefly mentioned is especially crafty in how they overcame a limitation of previous designs (to include the Harpoon)
Basically you have a choice in the motor of the missile and your choice has both an advantage and a disadvantage.
You want High speed like the SUNBURN? you can have it at the cost of range (Yes the SS-N-22 is short ranged compared to others including Harpoon)
If you want long range, then you have to sacrifice speed.
Rocket motors will hit mach speeds but burn out fast. limiting range
Turbojet motors will go a long time but are subsonic.
So you can have range but not speed, or speed but not range. You can't have both. Until the SS-N-26 Oniks/Yakhont missile.
Basically it is a two-stage missile. Having a main first stage that is turbojet powered and subsonic just like Tomahawk or Harpoon or Exocet or any number of missiles. It is capable of great range. On reaching the target area and locking on, the forward Sprint body housing the guidance package and warhead separates and a rocket motor propels the second stage to supersonic speeds for the terminal phase of the attack.
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Forum: General Talk
12-29-2011, 06:25 PM
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Nesstor posted about the Iranians having the SS-N-22 SUNBURN Anti-Ship missile.
Iran does NOT have them. They attempted to purchase some a while back and money even traded hands with Russia (Not Ukraine). The US went to Russia and explained why this would be a Bad Idea in US/Russian relations and Russia agreed. They refused to turn over the missiles (but kept the money...LOL).
Iranian IRGCN videos surfaced and can be found on YouTube supposedly showing the test firing of a SUNBURN missile (actually the missile is the 3M80 Moskit, SUNBURN is a NATO reporting code name.) by Iranian forces.
I about died laughing when I saw the video.
The Missile is decidedly NOT the Moskit/SUNBURN missile.
The missile in the video was a Silkworm or some other variant of the Chinese knockoff of the old (and obsolete) Soviet STYX missile.
The original STYX missile has been around from the mid 1950's and is obsolete. China extended the fuselage a bit and gave it a larger fuel tank, extending the range but basically it is the same missile.
The two missiles (Silkworm/STYX and the Moskit/SUNBURN) cannot be mistaken for each other as they look nothing alike.
IF Iran was to somehow acquire the SUNBURN, that would be a very significant threat. My job in the US Navy was Electronic Warfare. My primary concern was Anti-ship missile defense. The SUNBURN would give us nightmares if ever employed against us. At the time it came out, even our best defense systems (Aegis) had but slim chances of stopping it and anything less than that had no chance in hell. Rest assured though that steps have been taken and many critical upgrades and redesigns have been implemented to take into account the SUNBURN's capabilities. While it is no longer the nightmare it once was, the SUNBURN does remain a very formidable weapon system.
I have personally spent a great deal and significant portion of my "At Sea" deployed time transiting back and forth through the Hormuz Strait under the very noses of these Iranian Coast missile Batteries. Their BEST systems are on a par with early model US Made Harpoon missiles, and at worst, are 50's era hand-me-downs from Russia via China.
ANY attempt by Iran to close the strait would result in a few ships getting sunk, mostly Civilian shipping. But after the opening strikes, in a matter of hours only... Iranian Naval and coastal forces would quite simply CEASE TO EXIST. Iran's Naval military is only good for one or two sucker punches. After that... It'll be a USA win by a Knockout.
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