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Forum: Pentax K-3 III 07-30-2022, 12:57 PM  
K3III owner, and now I've bought a D500 too. So....
Posted By gatorguy
Replies: 138
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We've had comments off and on claiming this or that about the Nikon D500 and the KIII, but a dearth of actual real-use info. I'll be the guinea-pig. :)

This will not be a quick brush-thru, I plan to update it regularly with my thoughts about the two. So here we go!

The D500 kit is a Nikkor 16-80 2.8E VR, a Nikkor 55-300 4.5-5.6G ED, and a Tamron 150-600 5.6-6.3 Di VC. Lexar XQD card in slot one. I've been using the camera daily for the past week.

Comparable lenses for my K3III will be the Pentax 16-50 PLM, Pentax 55-300 4.5-6.3 PLM, and Pentax 150-450 4.5-5.6.

First up for comparison is each with similar 55-300's. AF initially set to Group on the Nikon and Small Zone on the Pentax. This is the first time I'd had both lenses in hand to test the bodies with, my Pentax one on loan until two days ago, and one I've almost never used for any length of time anyway. So today they went to work shortly after sunrise, and until 9:00am this morning before the heat and humidity got too unpleasant.

First surprise: The D500 did much better in low light than I expected. The first Nikon shots were at 7am. Shooting AF-S manual with auto ISO 12800, where I had preset the limit, full open, and shutter speed 1/500. Images were detailed, clear, noisy as expected, but very recoverable. I honestly thought 12800 was going to be too high. The Pentax was preset only one stop higher at 25600, otherwise same settings using TAv. I was happy with both, and noise levels were very similar.
NOTE: I just remembered I keep the K3III underexposed by a 1/3 to a full stop much of the time. Looking, today was one of those times, exposure compensation a 1/3 stop under where I had left it. I simply forgot to change it for the early morning.

By 7:45 the sun was high enough with enough light to try some continuous shooting on some larger birds relatively close by. It was shortly thereafter I got surprise number two: The Pentax lens was absolutely solid, much faster to focus and "stickier" than the 150-450 I've been carrying for weeks. I did not expect that much difference. The Nikon did just as expected, quick focus and very good tracking. To be honest the Nikon tracked ever so slightly better than the K3III. +1 for the D500.

But then came surprise numbers 3 and 4:
I thought that I'd try tracking flying dragonflies with my Pentax, something I had no success with using the 150-450. Surprise, YES the K3III can track quick darting dragonsflies 15-30 feet out using the 55-300. I was now expecting similar success with the D500 which brings me to surprise #4: Not happening.

The Nikon would not lock focus on the same dragonflies captured successfully on the Pentax. The lens would rack in and out, but not once did it lock focus on one. That same failure happened with a plane flying in the distance, just a spec against the sky, and with a white crane far away flying above the tree line. The D500 / 55-300 combo seems to fail on small objects with low contrast against the sky. But the K3III had no problems at all, finding that same plane and the white crane, both probably even a bit smaller by then, without issue thru a half dozen shots. The K3III was way more likely (near certain) to lock focus on low contrast subjects, with the D500 more often failing than locating. That was not expected.

My guess is the more effective use of the better 307K pixel RGB sensor in the Pentax compared to the 180K in the D500 leads to a definitive improvement in recognizing the contrast differences and finding focus. Even tiny objects may be picked out more reliably. Still need to repeat and verify of course.

Tracking in general? The K3III / 55-300 combination was often quicker to locate and begin focusing on a fast flying bird, but it would sometimes take 2-3 frames to get clean-focus on them, which makes sense since I've set Release Priority. The D500 was sometimes (often) slower to find the subjects and even occasionally failed, but once acquired was better at initial focus lock from the first frame. Yes, it too is set for release priority. Honestly, both were great at tracking overall so I'm not complaining.

More to come later after I review all the images from this morning. If we have the same weather tomorrow morning I may not bother getting out to repeat the tests and see if the results are consistent, but if not Sunday I'll definitely be doing so before moving to a different lens pairing.

Early thoughts: The K3III is looking good, but lots of photos, more scenarios, and other lenses still to go.

If anyone has specific questions I'm happy to hear 'em, and will answer what I can. There's still a lot to figure out.


Oh, and one interesting observation just before I left for the day. In good light and the bird positioned right the K3III's zone-select AF very often went to the bird's eye. I don't know if I'd seen this before, but I have tweaked some settings in the past 2 weeks. Maybe it's that, perhaps it's been doing that and I haven't paid attention, or it's something better chalked up to happenstance. So another thing else to test for repeatability.

BTW, any Nikon user know the correct setting to have the rear display remain on for 30 seconds or whatever between shots?
Forum: Winners' Showcase 01-08-2022, 09:12 AM  
January, 2022 Winner: I can see what's in your soul...
Posted By Weevil
Replies: 83
Views: 1,177
Nyctale de Tengmalm / Boreal Owl [Aegolius funereus]
2021.02.19 - Boucherville, Québec, CANADA
(Parc de la Frayère - Arboretum Stephen-Langevin)

ISO 800


Nyctale de Tengmalm / Boreal Owl [Aegolius funereus]
Forum: Monthly Photo Contests 01-22-2022, 10:43 PM  
Surfing Buddies
Posted By Sqideyes
Replies: 54
Views: 563
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Forum: Post Your Photos! 02-04-2022, 10:02 AM  
Black & White Monochrome Shorebirds
Posted By brewmaster15
Replies: 4
Views: 275
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 01-16-2022, 02:27 AM  
Post your K3 iii pictures.
Posted By Weevil
Replies: 3,755
Views: 282,045
Today we got a max temperature of -20° C in southern Québec.
"C'était pas chaud pour la pompe à l'eau" we say around here...
(Free translation, even if that doesn't make sense = "it was cold as hell" ❄️❄️❄️ :lol: )

Harfang des neiges / Snowy Owl [Bubo scandiacus] ♀
Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Québec, CANADA
2022.01.15


Harfang des neiges / Snowy Owl [Bubo scandiacus] ♀

Pentax K-3 III + HD Pentax-DA AF Rear Converter 1.4x AW + SMC Pentax-DA* 300mm f4 ED [IF] SDM (420mm)
@ ƒ/5.6 (wide-open)
(more exif on flickr)
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 02-01-2022, 05:45 AM  
Post your K3 iii pictures.
Posted By repaap
Replies: 3,755
Views: 282,045
One more stitch from yesterday

DA*55

edge by repaap, on Flickr
Forum: Monthly Photo Contests 10-08-2021, 09:37 AM  
Northern Saw-whet Owl
Posted By jjansen
Replies: 40
Views: 841
A friend told me there was a way to attract certain species of owls just by mimicking their calls. While out on a hike close to home I practiced calling different owls and to my surprise one answered back. I was than able to call it in to a near by tree for some fun photos!
Forum: Post Your Photos! 10-31-2021, 12:49 PM  
Landscape Northern Lights bonanza
Posted By Fries
Replies: 12
Views: 600
I had a few nights on my trip in Northern Norway that the Northern Lights were quite active. I have encountered stronger Northern Lights. But it still was very nice to see it! This near the town if Mehamn in the province of Finnmark.

Cheers,

Remco

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5. Above my head.
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 04-28-2021, 03:30 AM  
Post your K3 iii pictures.
Posted By Franc
Replies: 3,755
Views: 282,045
1. Lesser Whitethroat

with the af-c on zone with subject recognition
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 08-19-2021, 08:52 PM  
lenses to stay clear of
Posted By tokyoscape
Replies: 80
Views: 6,766
My 2 cents, Stay away from anything with the word "Limited" printed on it because if you get one, you will want more and end up want all of them. It's very bad for your wallet.

Other than that, I think it has to do with your shooting requirements. Look at the user review page can give an idea of what to expect, what to avoid.
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 07-06-2021, 02:24 AM  
Post your K3 iii pictures.
Posted By Sqideyes
Replies: 3,755
Views: 282,045
Osprey Portrait.
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 08-19-2021, 04:53 AM  
Post your K3 iii pictures.
Posted By Franc
Replies: 3,755
Views: 282,045
1. young/juvenile hawfinches drinking


2.
Forum: Post Your Photos! 08-07-2018, 08:05 AM  
Night Farmstead Northern Lights
Posted By aitrus3
Replies: 16
Views: 839
I had been down at the beach of my parents farm waiting for the weak northern lights to make a burst, but I had waited a while and I could also hear a rogue bull from a farm up the road in our yard. Fearing an attack from a spooked bull in the dark of night, I decided to pack it in. I got up to the house and looked out the window to see that the lights I had been waiting for just exploded. While being north enough to see events as little as KP 2/3, it's not quite north enough to use an exposure less than 30s and an ISO less than 1600, unless the display is KP6 or up. I think this night was predicted to be a KP3.
I stepped out onto their deck and shot a quick little panorama of the yard under the lights.

GREG1186-Pano by Greg Murray, on Flickr
Forum: Post Your Photos! 07-03-2021, 06:57 PM  
Nature Spotted Pardalote
Posted By RobG
Replies: 25
Views: 699
Forum: Post Your Photos! 06-01-2021, 06:55 PM  
Nature Eagle at the Beach
Posted By Markpszk
Replies: 17
Views: 873
This Eagle lives at the beach. He feeds 2 hours just before dead low tide.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 05-22-2021, 05:27 PM  
PF Pentax Interview 2021 - Question suggestions
Posted By Not a Number
Replies: 229
Views: 21,206
Would Ricoh consider an updated set of K-mount macro extension tubes with all the electrical contacts?
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 05-22-2021, 01:04 PM  
PF Pentax Interview 2021 - Question suggestions
Posted By luftfluss
Replies: 229
Views: 21,206
Is Pentax looking into producing telephoto lenses that will exploit the K-3 III's AF prowess?
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-16-2021, 09:59 AM  
Next body?
Posted By Bad Boy
Replies: 20
Views: 1,390
Rather than upgrading your body seriously consider investing in better lenses. You will see more improvement in your photography upgrading your lenses.
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 05-02-2021, 12:16 PM  
Post your K3 iii pictures.
Posted By Wozasam
Replies: 3,755
Views: 282,045
First outing with K3iii Dfa 150-450mm
Forum: Pentax K-3 III 05-03-2021, 03:29 AM  
Post your K3 iii pictures.
Posted By Franc
Replies: 3,755
Views: 282,045
1. kingfisher


---------- Post added 3rd May 2021 at 12:46 ----------

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Forum: Post Your Photos! 04-05-2021, 09:41 AM  
Macro Focus stacking - first hesitant steps
Posted By newmikey
Replies: 3
Views: 394
Inspired by a Dutch forum member who came to pick up some bits and bobs I traded here on the forum (thanks Jetze, nice meeting you!) I tried my hand at focus stacking. I'm still in the baby steps realm using manual focus on the lens to advance the plane of focus but I'm having great fun! I downloaded ZereneStacker 30-day trial and will certainly spend the money on a full version - always grateful to find software which runs on Linux as well.

I shot PEF, converted to TIF with Darktable and post-processed after stacking with Gimp. I still have some haloing going on here, probably due to my inprecise way of advancing focus but we'll get there in time...

Here's an 8-shot stack:


And a 12-shot stack:
Forum: Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Other Camera Brands 10-19-2018, 07:12 AM  
K-3ii to D500... Is this the right move?
Posted By UserAccessDenied
Replies: 262
Views: 19,069
Here's an update!


I made the jump...
I sold ALL my Pentax gear on the marketplace here (true testament to this forum and the people here. Great transactions and communication with my buyers and everything went very smoothly!)

I picked up a lightly used D500 on eBay for $1000 and a 200-500 F5.6 VR from Adorama for $950
I was expecting to drop $2500-$2700 for these two so with the extra $$$ I grabbed a Tamron 10-24 VC (the newest model) AND still had money left over for a new road bike :)

First impressions on the D500 compared to the K-3ii:
PROS:
- BLOWN AWAY by the D500 AF
- High ISO is much cleaner than the K-3ii
- Custom control assignment is a GAME CHANGER (wasn't expecting this...) - This deserves much more attention than it gets! I use AF-C all the time now, back button AF enabled with shutter button AF disabled. There is a Pv button on the front of the camera that I set to AF mode 25 pt dynamic + AF-on. And the Fn1 button below the Pv button to change shooting modes.... Without moving my hand and compromising my handle on a large rig, I can fire the shutter with my index, focus single point with my thumb, focus 25 pt dynamic with my middle finger and change shooting modes with my ring finger... It's fantastic to be able to control so much without moving my eye from the viewfinder or moving my hand at all. The joystick has a center push function as well that I set it to reset the focus point. So if I'm single point focusing on a subject to the edge of my frame and something takes off in the center on my view finder, I can click the joystick press the Pv button and nail focus tracking on that other subject. This same transition would have been nearly impossible in the same amount of time with my K-3ii.
- Flip out screen is nice, already used it on a product shoot where I was pressed against a wall and couldn't see the screen or the viewfinder to compose the shot.
- Surprisingly I like the touchscreen... I actually wish I could use it for menu options, but for Live View focusing it's wonderful. I've always said I cared less for touchscreen, but now I feel differently. Also, it is truly amazing how many people see a screen and just assume it 'pinch-zooms' like a smart phone... My family was going through some shots I took and naturally 'pinch-zoomed' without know if the camera allowed this functionality (it does). Pretty cool I thought.

CONS:
- NO focus peaking... I will miss this once I finally pick up a dedicated macro lens, I'm sure!
- The viewfinder on the K-3ii is better... Something about it, can't really describe it. It feels more "in-focus" than the D500... And yes, I've adjusted the diopter!
- Card slot door feels better on the K-3ii - I know this is a weird one, but the D500 just feels like it would be the first thing to go if it took a tumble!
- I also prefer the battery door on the K-3ii. Something about the turn/key operation to access the battery just felt right. I know some people overlook these things, but having confidence in your gear means you aren't thinking about it during the shot... If you are worried about a card slot door popping open or a battery falling out, you aren't fully focused on your subject (no pun intended :)). I doubt the D500 is going to fall apart, it just feels less sturdy than my K-3ii did.
- 24 vs 21 MP... The K-3ii has a slight advantage when it comes to extreme cropping.


There are more PROS and CONS than this; little things like a small pin-notch in the bottom of the D500 for L brackets to 'slot' into when screwed in is super convenient. The K-3ii doesn't have this and my L bracket would have to be CRANKED tight so it didn't slide around.
Also the D500 just feels better in hand, but that's personal preference as I have fairly large hands...
The K-3ii had a certain feel to it that I loved for just going outside and walking around. The D500 feels intrusive in that sense. Definitely not a 'street camera'.



OK... Now to the 200-500 F5.6 VR.
Sorry, but anyone here that said that lens would be the 'weak link' to my transition was wrong!

This lens is remarkable!
But to be fair...

First impressions on the 200-500 F5.6 VR compared to the DA*300 + 1.4xTC:
PROS:
- VR > WOW... Just WOW! I mean, in body stabilization is great and all... But in-lens VR provides a stabilized view finder!! If you haven't experienced this, you don't know what you're missing. Composing a shot handheld at 500mm is a walk in the park with this VR system. Initial testing - I got TACK SHARP images at 1/30s, 500mm, F5.6... I thought my mind was playing tricks on me... It's unreal...
- SHARP at F5.6. Comparable to the DA*300 + 1.4xTC at F5.6...
- IQ equal throughout the focal range > Some of these big zooms have IQ fall off at the max focal length, but the 200-500 is perfect at 500... No need to turn it back a hair to 480mm like I used to on my Bigma.
- BOKEH! > I've often cringed at the bokeh of the DA*300 + 1.4XTC.. It's just distracting. The 200-500 at F5.6 is better. Not comparing it to a 500mm F4 by any means! But it's better than the DA*300 combo.

CONS:
- Size > This lens is heavy, and bulky. It balances very well on the D500 actually, but compared to the DA*300 + 1.4xTC it's a beast...
- Focus ring placement... The focus ring is veryyyyy smooth, and feather-light.... I can focus with my pinky with minimal effort, cool right? Well, sometimes.... My hand positioning that makes the lens comfortable in hand also happens to land me on top of the focus ring, see where I'm going with this? AF on my subject, the slightest movement of my hand will push the focus out. I just need to work on placing my hand elsewhere on the lens when handheld shooting.
- F5.6 > honestly this lens is sharp at F5.6 AND if it were F4 it would cost 5 times as much and weight twice as much. The high ISO capabilities of the D500 allow F5.6 to be acceptable. Regardless, I put it here because if I was shooting at 300mm, the DA*300 by itself would offer F4. So there's that.
- It's plasticky... But that could be a PRO also... Ever shot the DA*300 in middle of January? Even with gloves on that metal lens body send shivers through my entire body. Looking forward to having a less thermal-conductive material in hand this winter!


You may say I've got honeymoon feelings for my new gear.
Maybe you're right, I am very happy with this upgrade for my style of shooting...

I already miss my DFA 100mm macro. And my DA35 macro!
Those were my babies and they rendered beautifully... I miss the focus peaking of the K-3ii and the smaller ergonomics of the camera at times when I didn't need the bulky rig...

But to meet my desires in wildlife photography, I had to move on...


OH YEAH, and....
Once I got my new camera I found out a close friend of mine used to shoot Nikon about 10 years ago.. He has a 70-200 F2.8 and a 17-55 F2.8 sitting in his closet, untouched for almost a decade... He said I could "long-term borrow" them.
Perk of becoming a "Nikonian"? I'd say so. :lol:



I'm sticking around these forums for the tips and tricks you all provide, along with the general community support and involvement. There is truly nothing out there like PentaxForums.

Who knows, maybe I'll grab a GRIII for a walk around 'snapshot' camera and you all will accept me again. :o
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 04-02-2021, 10:03 AM  
Will you buy the k3 Mark 3?
Posted By timb64
Replies: 452
Views: 25,567
If we all waited until our skill set outperformed our camera many of us would never be able to justify an upgrade ;)
Forum: Post Your Photos! 03-12-2021, 10:58 AM  
Nature Mid-air Meet n' Greet
Posted By slowpez
Replies: 21
Views: 1,136
Taken at 1/1600s. Of course, I had the wrong lens. What else is new.:mad: There were three baldies in the same tree and two of them obviously were having social problems and decided to settle their differences in mid-air.

Forum: Monthly Photo Contests 03-09-2021, 02:39 PM  
Perth WA
Posted By hilojoe
Replies: 6
Views: 292
Very nice. Nominated.
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