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Forum: Weekly Photo Challenges 09-22-2014, 12:08 PM  
Picture of the Week POTW - #331 14 - 27 Sept 2014
Posted By mattb123
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Nice work here.
I was in Minneapolis last week for work. Didn't get out much but did manage one nighttime photo walk. During the day this is a fountain but as I found at night it's just a sculpture.

K-3 & Rokinon 8mm
IMGP0266-Edit by MattB.net, on Flickr

IMGP0224-Edit by MattB.net, on Flickr

When I returned to Colorado the leaves were starting to change. It should peak in the next week or so.
K-3 & DA* 60-250
IMGP0405-Edit by MattB.net, on Flickr

I went to a fall festival in Crested Butte called Vinotok. They say this was the original Burning Man.
K-3 & DA* 16-50
IMGP0605-Edit by MattB.net, on Flickr

IMGP0799-Edit by MattB.net, on Flickr

Went for a hike with my family yesterday after a long soaking rain.
K-3 & DA* 16-50 + LightCraft Rapid ND
IMGP0905-Edit by MattB.net, on Flickr

K-3 & DA 15
IMGP0917-Edit by MattB.net, on Flickr
Forum: Weekly Photo Challenges 09-22-2014, 10:26 AM  
Picture of the Week POTW - #331 14 - 27 Sept 2014
Posted By StephenHampshire
Replies: 22
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Lovely church interior Mecrox!

---------- Post added 22-09-14 at 17:33 ----------

More trains from me this week I am afraid!
Night shoot at Bewdley




Evening Local by Arle Images, on Flickr


4F at night by Arle Images, on Flickr


Industrial steam in the West Midlands...


Passing By by Arle Images, on Flickr


No 4 and No 2 by Arle Images, on Flickr


Spider's Web by Arle Images, on Flickr


Shed Reflection by Arle Images, on Flickr


Nechells No 4 by Arle Images, on Flickr
Forum: Pentax K-3 Photo Contest 05-19-2014, 04:57 AM  
Streets My way or the highway
Posted By jayjay
Replies: 1
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I was admiring the view of Montréal and this guy just passed with his electric scooter.
Forum: Weekly Photo Challenges 04-16-2014, 09:06 AM  
Picture of the Week POTW #310 covering weeks 07 April - 21 April 2014
Posted By mattb123
Replies: 36
Views: 4,374
A couple of eclipse shots from the other night.
K-3 & A* 300/4
IMGP1432 by MattB.net, on Flickr

K-5 & DA* 60-250
IMGP9564-Edit by MattB.net, on Flickr
Forum: Weekly Photo Challenges 04-18-2014, 07:09 AM  
Picture of the Week POTW #310 covering weeks 07 April - 21 April 2014
Posted By smf
Replies: 36
Views: 4,374
Captured with a handheld K-x and SMC Pentax Macro 1:4/100. Butterfly images were captured at the Butterflies in Bloom exhibit at Dow Gardens in Midland, Michigan. Comments and criticism are most welcome — by PM if you'd rather not post in this thread.
Thanks to everyone for posting such excellent photographs!
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-09-2013, 05:17 AM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By sam-joseph
Replies: 49
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Yeah, I too upgraded from a K100D Super to the K7. Love it.

Regards
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-09-2013, 05:07 AM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Finchj
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The K-7 is my first and only DSLR. Most of the time I love it, although like others, high ISO shots require a bit more work. Typically, my high ISO shots are indoors at say a friend's place. I have a feeling that once I upgrade from the 18-55 WR lens to something faster that I will find myself using 800-1600 more often.

In addition to the 18-55, I also purchased a DA*50-135 which is on my camera quite a lot- even though I actually enjoy wide angle work more. You truly get what you pay for in terms of IQ. While the images with the 18-55 almost always need some work (from my perspective), I almost always leave the images from the 50-135 alone (except perhaps a bit of exposure changes, say 1/3 of a stop or so).

This year I purchased the battery grip and that has made an incredible difference when shooting portrait orientation shots... even with the lighter 18-55. My is hope that Pentax continues with the same body style through to at least one more after the K-5ii so that I can leapfrog the K-5 family and land into whatever comes next- with a grip :)

If I can make another camera related purchase next year, I think I will go for the 100mm WR macro lens. As much as I would like to upgrade the wider end, I can live with the results from the kit lens for at least another year. Who knows, perhaps a new wider lens will make an appearance by then.

Sure, the K-5 (and probably K-30), is a better camera. But at the time I purchased the K-7, it was significantly cheaper than the recently launched K-5. The feature set: excellent weather sealing, SR, backwards compatibility, rugged body (camera survived a 3 foot crash to the pavement), cold weather resistance, timers, exposure bracketing... unbeatable back in 2010 at the price point.

Oh- and after almost 3 years of shooting, I have yet to have one speck of dust on the sensor. Pentax's weather sealing + common sense= no worries for me.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-09-2013, 05:02 AM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Uluru
Replies: 49
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Thank you for the comments.

When it comes to grain (I rather call noise 'a visual grain') there is no universal recipe. Say, a 100ASA Velvia film has a totally different grain than 3200 ASA Ilford Delta.

To appreciate grain, print is actually best medium; on screen image looks ok if the grain is fine, but for a stronger grain today's computer screens don't work; there is so much grain info per square cm that screen only approximates it very roughly when scaling down for digital preview. That's the case with the lighthouse photograph; it looks just fabulous when printed.

I have printed it on a metallic photo paper and the image is surreal, like melted silver — and I wanted it like that. Thus what you see as 'white noise' on screen in this photo, is silver of the paper in real life. So it's not white, and not coarse. I simply cannot show that — I had to imagine myself before printing it.

I think grain favours print as the ultimate expression of itself, and the image on paper then becomes a real photograph, a real object with real dimensions — a standalone work of visual expression. It has personality then, it can show all its subtlety. One reason I dab into all this is because I like to think that the life of a photograph that emotionally speaks to me doesn't end in some 'cloud', or on Facebook, overcompressed, and then disappears in the digital oblivion in several years.

When thinking about print which gives the photograph a real life, it then changes the understanding of what constitutes photography, where some things end and where new adventures start, also puts photography gear (desires, fantasies, realities) in a more relevant context, and our expectations too.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-09-2013, 02:52 AM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Frater
Replies: 49
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Thank you very much for your very comprehensive post. Good to learn new things from someone like you, who's already experienced in practial aspects of natural versus digital noise.

I would have sworn, that the car picture would be an scanned analogue negative. So the film simulators do a good job in the right hands.

I'm not sure yet what to think about the noise in the lighthouse picture. It looks a bit coarse to me, but I don't figure out why. Maybe, it's because of the stronger dosis, which most are just not used to see from other B&W pictures. But my actual suspicion is, that image resizing doesn't help noise, and JPEG compression doesn't neither. Both tend to reduce the fine-ness in noise, and leave us behind with a slightly coarser version? If so, then noising needs to be treated similar to sharpening: dependent on the final size and display medium.

Still, your noise simulation manages to look more film-like, than these usual, mathematically simple "add noise" methods in post processing software, which I compared side-by-side with your noise, just out of curiosity.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-08-2013, 05:45 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Uluru
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I'm using Aperture with Nik Effects plugins (Nik now owned by Google). Part of it is the excellent Silver Effex.

I think their implementation of different film emulations is very good, and some images — even at lower ISO — get some extra spunk with a, say, Fuji Astia or Velvia look on them. Then all different Kodak emulsions, etc. The key is experimentation.

I find such treatments especially good in combination with legacy lenses. Some old K-mount lenses cannot meet all the demands of digital capture, and the images by default look either 'soft' or a bit uncontrolled or the coating is just too old. However, with a film emulation, the image totally transforms itself and I have a feeling like shooting with film again, albeit at ISOs never imaginable before.

Say, ISO 800 would yield in a very grainy look in film, because few colour emulsions can go that high and keep grain fine. But, you take a digital image at ISO 800, which is almost flawless, then apply ISO 100 film grain on it; or ISO 400. The results can be spectacular — something in between digital and film.

Thus I agree with above mentioned statements; direct from camera, very hi ISO images with K7 or even K5, have an artificial looking grain. Sometimes even slight banding is visible. However, if we re-arrange the noise pattern, we can have something quite pleasing and worth experimenting with. Different film filters help enormously — as whole new luminance 'mask' is then applied onto the image, nullifying artificial noise pattern and creating more spontaneous, chaotic, truer silver halide look.



This above is an example taken with K7 and DA15 lens. The original colour image was just an average snap, with big colourful flag hanging from above. Two people's heads also introduced colour next to black car. However, I loved the look of the ca. To emphasize the beautiful car design, I have converted the image to B&W, added just slight toning and 100 ASA Kodachrome emulsion treatment — the chrome and silver details now just pop out, car design is a hero. It's elemental, basic, and I love this treatment much better than original colour.

Here two images below are taken at ISO3200 and with old manual 28mm/2.8 lens. It equals to some 43mm in APS-C. Noise levels on K7 are sky high, images can be beyond repair. But a treatment with just a slight de-noising and applying a film look to destroy digital grain and introduce more organic grain makes it all totally different images. They print beautifully, and the band loved them. Once I found a good formula, with a right feeling, I've applied it across a hundred images.


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If the image is made into B&W, then something else comes to play too — picture design. And that is the magic of B&W images; not only they create less stress on our colour receptors, but our gut instinct and shape recognition impulses thrive. It's mystery.

What other see as digital noise, to me it is not noise, but I see it as creative grain. You can control it by re-arranging it, and then it becomes really powerful expressive tool. And is truly addictive.

Not to mention that one can do the same using the Pentax Q camera. I use both Q and K7, and find film and B&W treatment of the Q images — even at very high ISO — to yield very pleasing results. It's all about thinking outside the box.

Main reason I bought the Q was not its clean low ISO, or my birthday :), or Q's small factor alone; I wanted a smaller, very capable sketching tool. For emotional photographs. To do that, I need to take as many images as possible and be creative, experimental, so the Q was a perfect camera — much better than any fixed lens compact.



This above is taken with Q and 02 zoom lens at 28mm. I was fascinated by glitter of sand and ocean spray and hazed distance — all things I feel, but which colour photograph could not capture — it was too perfectly digitally smooth. Thus B&W and film grain treatment restored my emotional response — the whole scene glitters so much more, and without boundary colours, shapes are dissolving into each other like melted silver, which is exactly how I felt that morning. (Feeling and seeing aren't same)

This picture is also all about design: the land ploughs into the ocean, the ocean equally ploughs into the land. The sky above and beach below reflect each other. We have calm above, then a zig-zag movement in the middle, an outburst of energy, and calm again. Such motifs are popular in landscape painting through times, and here's an example by Hiroshige:



In B&W work, I think I don't need to mention that I'm hugely inspired by works of photography legends such as Robert Frank.



Hope this helps.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-08-2013, 09:23 AM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Frater
Replies: 49
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...yes, and that would be similar to the reason, why many artistry photographers still go for analog film cameras, using their limitations as a creative tool, as well.

I would have liked to experiment more with graininess, but unfortunately, in my experience, digital noise can be somewhat ugly, even after color is removed. This depends highly on how the RAW processor renders digital noise. That in turn depends on how it turns the sensor color mosaic into a fully RGB colored bitmap. Most methods assume (and try to work out) the existence of edges, but because noise doesn't have any edges, these methods come to mis-conclusions and assume more or less arbitrarily phantom edges, and that's why we end up with these ugly kind-of-wormy structures in digital noise.

Uluru, which RAW converter are you using, to get pretty digital noise in your B&Ws?



Another hardware thing I always mistrusted is any in-camera noise reduction. I believe this starts from ISO=3200 for the K-7 (according to the DXO labs test?); for the identically-sensored K20D I even saw a competent user's claim of NR kicking in already from ISO=1600.
I believe that any simple noise reduction methods (such as those quick ones implemented in bodys) rather just smear noise, instead of really reducing it in a more pretty way. Which would contribute to noise ugliness. If noise connosseurs want to avoid this, it is probably better to stay below ISO=3200, and rather underexpose on really low light if needed (and brighten up later in post-processing of course). But one shouldn't overdo this strategy (in particular not with our Samsung sensor), because this may then promote banding noise in dark areas. And I'm not sure about any well-known noise reduction software, which would tackle banding noise explicitly? (that would require to be done at the RAW converter level, to evaluate these always-dark pixels outside the light-exposed sensor area, provided for the very purpose of banding noise identification. But I wonder, which software actually would know about these, and make use of them, and whether the DNG file Format would provide metadata to tell RAW converters about such non-exposed sensor areas)
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-07-2013, 08:02 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Uluru
Replies: 49
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I have the K7 and I'll keep it as long as it lasts. It's sturdy, reliable, it's feels great.
For higher ISO, I'm using it as a film camera, which means, mostly for B&W for above ISO 1000. Even at ISO 6400 the result in B&W is a delicious grain. I've found thinking like that expands on creativity, so I don't always pursue boring, clean pictures, which is a stereotyped concept in today's photography and among amateurs. Emotive images are seldom clean or silky, in fact, they almost never are.
Because I detest stereotypes, I find sometimes having an 'older' camera like the K7 to be delight.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-07-2013, 07:46 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Tonto
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To add to the ISO talk, since I 'got over' not using a flash, my K7 now has NO weaknesses! ;P
I set my auto ISO to 400 and let rip!
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-07-2013, 02:46 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Just1MoreDave
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While I wait for my desktop to process some panoramas from my vacation shots, some more about the K-7. The 77 segment metering is a big improvement over the 16 segment system. Yes, I have to compensate for it sometimes but it's more consistent. I will go above ISO 800, even to 3200, if I need to. For those shots, I am very careful about focus (because the lens is open as far as I can) and exposure. The dynamic range starts to fall off rapidly above 800, and brightening shadows means increasing noise, so shots that are poorly exposed are not fixable with processing. Photoshop CS5, Lightroom 3 or newer has noise reduction in Adobe Camera RAW that works pretty well even at 3200. My shots at 6400 show the poor DR but sometimes are good enough or I convert to black and white. With fast lenses, I can avoid 6400 until it's really dark. I like using the interval timer for lightning or fireworks. I have even used multi-exposure. Infrared shots work if you have 15 seconds and block the viewfinder.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-07-2013, 02:57 AM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Conqueror
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The K-7 is great..

Only negatives is ISO above 800 (as mentioned) and I think the DR is a bit better on the K-30/K-5 sensor.. minor point as well the O-GPS1 doesn't work with it either (astrotracer)

In good light it is very good..

I've found with good light + DA 15mm or FA 35mm and the results are good...
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-05-2013, 01:13 AM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Frater
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I even have the predecessor, the K20D, which is identical in terms of imaging quality (has the same Samsung sensor as the K-7), but just didn't offer video or ultrasonic sensor cleaning yet (just rattle cleaning).

If you are a day-active photographer, or even an occasional night photographer with a tripod, then you don't miss out anything with our models. Our autofocus is fit for purpose, at least mine never produces OOF-blurred shots. That's a reason why I didn't bother upgrading to the K-5 yet. Anyway, these days, the autofocus wouldn't be limiting factor, as lens properties are probably much more limiting (e.g. where the front/backfocus isn't constant, but changes across F-stops and/or across the zoom range, and/or the object distance range) (surely some lenses are more affected here, than others).

Nevertheless I'm looking forward to this autumn, where Pentax traditionally introduces new models? Shouldn't the K-5 successor have sensational innovations (i.e. not substantially more than just "some more megapixels" and 100 body color options), than I wouldn't bother neither (unless the K-5 new or used prices drop surprisingly severely, making it just too tempting to go for those...)
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-04-2013, 09:39 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Just1MoreDave
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I just went over 20,000 shots with mine while shooting fireworks tonight. (Interval timer, long exposure, let it rip.) I was taking photos earlier today in a stream with water spraying on the camera. (WR, live view to frame a shot with a 9 stop ND filter on, 2 sec. delay.) I took shots of my wife and I (12 sec. timer). I took a couple hundred just ordinary shots besides. Yeah, if I was buying today I'd get the K-5 but the K-7 is extremely competent.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-04-2013, 06:30 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By hcc
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The K-7 is a great camera. Welcome to the K-7 family.

I have used my K-7 for 4 years and still enjoy it. The only limitations is the poor high ISO performances that I overcome with a series of fast primes lenses (f1.4, f1.8). With a fast prime, the K-7 is a great camera in low light especially if you keep ISO below 800.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-04-2013, 04:39 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Bruce Clark
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K-7 was my first and so far, only DSLR. What a lot of people seem to forget is that when it was released it was the flagship of Pentax. Learn to live within it's limitations and it will give you years of faithful service.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-04-2013, 03:50 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By Tonto
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I still rock my K7 and its still my #1 despite grabbing a K01 recently. I will probably hold onto it for life now as it is my first SLR (digital or otherwise) so is part of the family!
It will still be a long time till I out perform the camera and more likely to grab a new body just for the two body aspect than anything.
The thing with Pentax cameras is there are so many small but fantastic features that just make life easier but if asked you couldn't list them and definitely won't find in a marketing brochure.
And finally the evolutionary approach across the bodies evident since your K100 and probably more so with the Km and K10 Have kept whats great and not messed with what works too much and finesse new features into the design while keeping the price point competitive.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-04-2013, 03:29 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By VisualDarkness
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Well, they kept the body and software for three (K-5, K-5II, K-5IIs) newer bodies and that tells a story about how good it is.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-04-2013, 02:12 PM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By kiwi_jono
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Sounds like a good deal.
I have a K-5 which, apart from the sensor, is much the same. It was a big step up from my K-x and I love the ergonomics and controls. Its a camera you can really grow into I think with logical control layout. I get the feeling it should last too. I bough my K-5 second hand and very pleased with it.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-05-2013, 11:27 AM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By jpzk
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Bit late joining the party ...

I am still using my K7 quite a bit, especially for landscape and portrait shots.
I have recently added an ee-s focusing screen to make life easier with the Zeiss 85/1.4 and that makes the K7 even more "acceptable" than I thought.
The DA*16/50 and DA 15mm Ltd are also part of the gear.
I try to keep the ISO as low as possible and the results are still quite gratifying.

I plan on using the K7 for quite some time yet, for as long that the electronics hold on ... which could well be a few more years!

Cheers! :)

JP
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-05-2013, 11:44 AM  
New to me K-7: happily upgraded, anybody else still using their K-7?
Posted By magkelly
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I have a loaner K-7 I am using. So far I am really enjoying it. I've been shooting with a K-x for a while and love that cam, but I'm seriously thinking of buying this cam from it's owner after the Summer is over. I eventually do want a K5II and I'm actively saving up for that and the 18-135mm. But I think as a second body this camera would just rock and since I need at least two for work likely I will do that. Buy the K-7 as well and relegate my K-x back to personal cam status instead of working it hard till it's dead. Other than a bit of noise when shooting over 800 iso, something I rarely if ever do anyway, I think this camera is just superb. Even that I can easily process out most of it in Camera Raw or with a noise plugin. It's a much heavier cam than I am used to, but I have even more control with it, and the whole WR thing just works for me. Where I live it's hot, humid, and it rains a lot. As much as I love my K-x it's just not up to taking the abuse that this K-7 is. I shot in the rain the other day, something I've never wanted to risk with the K-x, and I just loved being able to do that, actually finish getting my shots even if it was starting to drizzle.
Forum: Homepage & Official Pentax News 09-11-2012, 10:36 AM  
PENTAX Introduces New K-5 II & K-5 IIs DSLR Cameras Versatile cameras feature newly d
Posted By tehSancho
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I still can't see the difference between the K5II and K5IIs beside the AA Filterless Sensor... Or it's just that? And also, is that actually good? :P
I mean, it was there for a reason and it says that helps in lighting-controlled situations, how does it affects outdoor shooting?
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