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Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 06-21-2012, 11:52 AM  
Ethics of photomanipulation
Posted By DAZ
Replies: 16
Views: 2,803
Cameras lie. It is not so much that it is easy to get a camera to lie, as it is so hard to get one to tell a truth.

DAZ
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 06-20-2012, 06:14 AM  
IQ of Legacy Lenses
Posted By Lowell Goudge
Replies: 85
Views: 15,010
We really should look at the whole question in several parts.

first of all there have been technical advances in materials and processes, that allow the lens designer to do things differently today.
- computer aided design, this was first fully exploited in the late 1970's with the vivitar series 1 70-210 F3.5, which today still remains a top performer in terms of sharpness and contrast.
- different optical lens machining processes which allow for thinner and more precise optical elements
- different optical materials, such as low dispersion elements, and plastic elements which offer the ability to make optical designs, when combined with the lens machining above, that were simply not possible in the past.

The above 3 points all go to making lenses cheaper, lighter, and with less CA especially.

Then there are changes in optical designs themselves. Many of these changes are the result of different levels of automation.
- the first optical designs were simple 3-5 element designs, with the aperture close to the front element. requiring manual activation
- these designs gave way to auto aperture designs with the aperture moved further back in the lens design to permit automatic aperture with minimal linkage, and open aperture focusing.
- we then began to see fixed rear element designs, (like the K28/2) which were the forerunner of internally focused designs, (useful for AF, and weather sealing)

Then there are the coatings. these have improved substantially over the past 60 years (35mm SLR era) and these continue to improve, reducing flare internally, which results in improved contrast, improving light transmission, and allowing more elements to be installed, permitting more complex optical designs.

overall as lens designs progressed, the center sharpness has not changed, but what has changed is the sharpness at the side of the image, the freedom from CA especially, freedom from vignetting, etc...

but the real thing, as I posted earlier, that is never considered is the rendering of the lens in the out of focus areas i.e. the bokeh. this is largely what keeps older lenses in use, the out of focus rendering. Lenses that have pleasing bokeh will always remain popular.

Edit note

while optical coatings have improved flare resistance and contrast, there is one thing to consider here, and this has been shown over and over again in posts. Contrast and flare resistance can be greatly improved simply by adding a lens hood. This is NOT a trivial matter, and not to be taken lightly, because the lens hoods for legacy lenses in many cases are shorter than optimum even for 35mm format, let alone for the APS-C format we currently use. As a minimum, when I use legacy lenses, I step the hoods down one focal length or more. for example, I use the hood from a Takumar 200/4 on my 85/1.9, i use the 105/2.8 hood on my 50/1.4 etc.

There is also a spreadsheet that I posted on the forum, called hoodcalc. which can be used to calculate the hood length limit before vignetting at the corners. It is worthwhile looking at this because it can help eliminate internal reflections and loss of contrast.
Forum: Photographic Technique 06-19-2012, 12:47 PM  
What is REAL photography? [final]
Posted By luftfluss
Replies: 54
Views: 7,644
I blame the French.
Forum: Film SLRs and Compact Film Cameras 06-19-2012, 07:07 AM  
Are film bodies getting more expensive?
Posted By Nesster
Replies: 54
Views: 5,358
Who says we didn't :D
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 06-19-2012, 09:58 AM  
24 megapixel Full Frame K-11 coming?
Posted By Mareket
Replies: 80
Views: 18,581
Guys! Le@ked pics of the new K-1 proitotype!


K-1 leaked picture by OlexiPhotography, on Flickr

Coidenamed the K-&% for now, it's got balls of iron and a WTFF sensor.
Forum: Photographic Technique 06-19-2012, 10:11 AM  
What do members think of moving beyond Ansel Adams?
Posted By tuco
Replies: 53
Views: 4,861
The type of "photography" described by the OP is photography progressing to data collection in landscape. You set your camera up on a tripod, shoot a 180° pano with multiple exposures (for exposure blending and focus stacking) each without even worrying about composition, go home, stitch them, stretch your mountain tops to be more aesthetically appealing, add or remove trees or other elements, push the colors to the edge of a neon color pallet and claim that's how you saw it - your vision - and finally, in the relaxed comfort of your easy chair with plenty of time to think about it, cut out the composition from that 180° pano that you didn't think of at the time of taking the pictures.

Nothing wrong with that. It is just a different type of (evolving?) "photography" than the past.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 06-19-2012, 10:47 AM  
24 megapixel Full Frame K-11 coming?
Posted By robgo2
Replies: 80
Views: 18,581
If a FF K-11 mirrorless camera has a high quality EVF and is significantly smaller and lighter than other FF cameras and is attractively priced, I expect that it would be a great success. But those are big "ifs".

Rob
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 06-19-2012, 08:30 AM  
24 megapixel Full Frame K-11 coming?
Posted By Mareket
Replies: 80
Views: 18,581
That's a shame, but I can see why. I think there's a way to stop threads notifying you if they have updates, but really this thread should be closed. It's not even logical speculation about what a future FF K-01 successor could be, it's just some guy fantasising about cameras and pretending it's a real rumour.



This. I'd like to contribute:

35mm f/1.2 DFA XS Lens to arrive in 2012? It could use ancient leprechaun wisdom and the enormous space inside the K-01 mirror box to house the lens ENTIRELY WITHIN THE BODY. It'd eject a weather resistant resin from the rear element that'd use nanotechnology to go throughout the camera and seal joints, providing lens-specific weather sealing. A special liquid metal barrel and Pentax's new composition detection algorithm could allow the lens to guide you to more appropriate positions for picture taking. Crushed dragon tongue oil would make for perfectly smooth focusing, even though you can't touch any part of the lens because it's actually a trans-dimensional super-being.

Price should be around $600, in a kit with the new K-11 for $1000. Personally, I can't wait. And it'll be bundled in a wooden box INSIDE a wooden box inside a leather box inside a nurse shark.
Forum: General Talk 06-19-2012, 09:34 AM  
Microsoft unveils Surface tablet to rival iPad
Posted By joe.penn
Replies: 16
Views: 3,045
Forum: General Talk 06-17-2012, 11:37 PM  
Pentaxian loyalty ad
Posted By tromboads
Replies: 9
Views: 1,859
you know... I really don't understand all this brand loyalty, Like sure. I understand the psychology behind group membership and I'm sure that's what all you guys are on about behind all this "brand". But really...



Its a camera :(
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 06-17-2012, 02:24 PM  
Help I dropped my camera and lens
Posted By The Jannie
Replies: 10
Views: 2,523
Phew, what a relief - not Pentax stuff!
Forum: General Talk 06-17-2012, 07:45 AM  
Poll: Staying with Pentax or jumping ship?
Posted By normhead
Replies: 324
Views: 27,776
Every camera ever made has trouble with low light. That's just a fact. It's one of the unfortunate limits of photography. You really do need light. This guy was in such low light, I could barely see him... and when I did see him in the photo, he didn't look nearly as good as I thought he was going to (Buddy, don't point your ass towards the camera.) . Sometimes not getting the photo you want when the light is really bad is a good thing.
3200 ISO 1/15 second, F4.5. Pretty much wide open with that lens.
Forum: Pentax Full Frame 06-15-2012, 01:32 AM  
Pentax full frame rumour
Posted By Chaos_Realm
Replies: 1,039
Views: 139,089
Not that I am a fan of RH, But he does clearly state that is a rumor and he is only passing information on from a forum.
To be completely honest I would take it with a grain of salt for the information, a shot of tequila for when the realization it will never happen sets in and a suck of a lemon to make the frustration go away. Then wait for the next rumor and repeat.
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 05-24-2012, 12:42 AM  
Famous macro photographer use old pentax
Posted By Hufseking
Replies: 5
Views: 2,008
Macro photographer Thomas Shahan Photos : ThomasShahan.com uses a Pentax K200 and a 1970's lens.

Interview on the norwegian photo site Akam.no. NETTMØTE: – Unngå ringblits som pesten! - Akam.no Scroll down for Q&A in English.
Interesting and impressive stuff!
Forum: General Talk 06-12-2012, 12:01 AM  
Cell phone silliness
Posted By selar
Replies: 24
Views: 2,868
People buy ringtones? When you could be putting that money to buying lenses!
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 06-11-2012, 01:59 PM  
homebrew lenses
Posted By wombat2go
Replies: 15
Views: 3,266
I got a set of Pentax 110 lenses 18mm, 24mm and 50mm, all 1:2.8 plus AF100P flash for $45
They cleaned up quite OK.
So I made a P110 to M4/3 adaptor
https://www.box.com/s/2c50027b4ffaab6eb0e2

Each lens will have a sleeve which is interference fit in the M43 side.
Putting a lens on involves adjusting the sleeve to register at infinity focus then tighten an internal grub screw.
https://www.box.com/s/481afc72c76949b81878

These lenses have no aperture adjustment as it was in the P 110 body, so I will make a set of waterhouse stops which will be a press fit inside the sleeves.

Waiting for this to be done and the arrival of some better low reflectance paint, I took some with the 18mm wide open
https://www.box.com/s/e261fcb7b5064bc0bd71
https://www.box.com/s/8d1f6eb6b6cecf68d686
Oh, No ! the 18mm is maybe sharp enough in center but blurred at the sides of the M43 sensor . Top and bottom are not so bad.
Maybe the lens is too wide open without any stop, or maybe it is not designed for image circle of M43.
I suppose I will find out when I make the first waterhouse stop down. I will try f/6.4 first that is a 2.8 mm aperture.
Anyway I can change the Oly aspect ratio to 1:1 and just use part of the sensor if the lens is not improved when stopped down.

The PK M43 adaptor I made previously gives good results,sharp right across.
This is the PK adaptor (posted previously) with a big old zoom good for movie mode.
https://www.box.com/s/7aae97f349d2c1bf0cf3


Making the M43 P110 adaptor:
Starting with the billet
https://www.box.com/s/75c2150a90a30988ef2b


Boring the register adjusting sleeve
https://www.box.com/s/4890fa930e77bad40a9d

Marking out the bayonet profiles 1930's style etc to copy a M43 mount cap.
https://www.box.com/s/1132212721ee4b524730

Hand shaping the bayonet reliefs using a die grinding burr
https://www.box.com/s/a42bfb9fca25c12fb269
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 06-11-2012, 09:01 AM  
new lens patent of pentax
Posted By RXrenesis8
Replies: 85
Views: 13,435
The lens protrudes > 40mm into the body? I wonder what the rear cap on this lens is going to look like. Maybe I can use it as a shot glass when the lens is mounted!

:lol:
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 06-10-2012, 05:40 AM  
lens extentsion
Posted By Paleo Pete
Replies: 15
Views: 1,781
Rio Rico and some others have already made some excellent points, but I'll throw my 2¢ in anyway.

I think 300mm should do fairly well, I use a 200mm all the time for bird shots, but I try to get as close as I can. If you look through the shots in my gallery all of the bird shots were taken with Vivitar 200mm, Lentar 90-230mm or Sears 80-200mm. Most are also cropped fairly tight too. You can expect a little better reach with a 300mm, but the difference is not great. I've used a couple of 300mm primes and a 75-300 zoom, and was surprised that they didn't show that much difference in apparent reach. I still wanted to get as close as possible.

As already noted, get as close as you can, use a tripod if feasible, and get to know your subjects. I shoot a lot of bird shots in a local park, where they tend to be more accustomed to people being around, so I can get closer. When I'm out in the field I have to sit there and wait a while for things to settle down, then the birds will start to roam around a little, but they will still be skittish and will scatter at any sudden movement. When in the woods you can forget about good lighting, especially in summer, shadows will kill even a bright cloudless day so plan on a good flash.

More often than not a tripod is a hindrance for wildlife shots, they won't be very likely to sit around and wait for you to set it up. If it's not already set up and waiting a bird or rabbit is long gone before you can even open the legs and set it down. 99% of my shots are hand held. Including macros. Also, if you set up a tripod and a bird or squirrel shows up well to the side, it won't wait for you to pick the rig up and move it around...so if you can't swivel it around far enough, you miss the shot. I gave up on tripods pretty quick. I still have a couple and use them now and then when I can, but most days they stay in the Jeep. One exception was the Pileated Woodpecker nest, I could set it up and leave it, since I knew exactly where they would be...at the nest. I still did 95% of those hand held.

Practice with the lens you plan to use on wildflowers. They stay in one place, windy days help you learn to adjust settings to stop motion (a flash helps sometimes too) and you get some great flower shots. At 300mm you'll have to back off a few feet, but I've gotten some pretty nice wildflower shots with a 35mm ME Super and a 70-210 lens. By the time I got into digital not much practice was needed, but I still try to grab a 200mm flower shot now and then just for fun and to see if I can get it to come out decent.

Watch the lighting. Occasionally you will get a good backlit shot, but usually for wildlife you want good front lit subjects. I never shy away from a backlit bird shot, and quite a few have come out good, but I always try to keep the sun behind be or over one shoulder at least.

Take lots of shots. Digital can be deleted whereas film could get expensive. With film I tried to make every shot count. With digital you can delete anything that is not good enough. But NEVER delete them on camera, wait till they are transferred to computer. The LCD screen is good to have, but I find my pictures are often acceptable when they don't look so good on the camera.

At the ranges you'll be dealing with for wildlife, depth of field is not usually a major consideration, but I always try to shoot at least f8 so I get good depth of field, and most lenses will get better pictures at f8 to f11 than wide open. Use your lens a lot, get to know it really well, and you will usually have a good idea what the picture will look like, as long as you get good focus, before you push the shutter. With birds in flight or any animal in motion, forget about auto focus. It will usually keep searching, and you will often end up focused anywhere but where you want to be...the head. This is especially true with birds, auto focus will latch onto the wings more often than not, so try to learn to use manual focus as much as you can. It just works better.

Teleconverters...I have a couple and use them occasionally, but not often. Usually it's when I want to get a shot for ID purposes and I'm not too concerned about image quality. For good quality shots, I use a prime telephoto and get close. Even then I usually don't have time to dig the thing out and mount it so I go ahead and take a few long distance shots and cross my fingers.

Ok maybe that was 10¢ worth...I'll shut up now...
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 06-09-2012, 04:14 AM  
Canon 40mm Pancake: Okay, Pentax, time to wake up on lens pricing!
Posted By magkelly
Replies: 136
Views: 13,724
I honestly don't care what Canon or Nikon does. If their gear works for you, use it, with my blessing. But Canon or Nikon could make the best lens on the planet and price it at $1 and I still wouldn't trade my Pentax gear for it. My kit's value isn't based on the usefulness of one lens and if I don't like the camera it has to go on a particular lens is useless to me. I can put just about any Pentax lens from the last 50 plus years on my camera and use them. Some will AF some won't. I adjust my focusing accordingly. I have a couple of faster lenses and lots of slower lenses. Most of them work fairly well in low light but of course they work better with more light.

Duh. One of the most basic fundamentals of photography is find the light. If there's not enough of it, make more if you can. Yeah a fast lens helps a lot. But even the fastest lens on the planet won't get you an impressive shot if there just isn't enough light to begin with. No offense, but I think a lot of people these days are relying way too hard on the tech and not enough on the basics of photography, expecting miracles from the camera/lens manufacturers and their gear. I like a fast lens, who doesn't? I happen to think though that some of my slower lenses can actually be just as good and even sometimes better than some of my fastest lenses actually. Not every situation needs super fast glass and there are other things that make a lens good to use besides speed.

Spending $200 and up on lenses isn't something I can do actually, at least not often. $200 may seem like a low price point to some but that's actually a pretty major expense and a really hard decision for me to buy a lens at that price. Higher than that? I'm not likely going to get to go there. Nice if you can, but reality check, even a $200 lens is a lot of money for many people. You start talking about $400 lenses, $800 lenses, $1500 lenses and you've totally lost me. You might as well be talking about the phase of the moon for it matters to me.

Pentax makes some darned good lenses IMHO. Even the much derided 18-55 kit lens has served me pretty well so far. Maybe Canon and Nikon make some better lenses, maybe they don't. Overall I think the Pentax system is the most useful and ergonomic of the three. I think their glass (vintage and modern) is just lovely, and that's why I chose it to begin with. Given the whole legacy glass thing and they'll keep me buying Pentax bodies for years to come most likely. I actually have two legacy lenses now that are basically pancake type lenses. I like them but I wouldn't go out and spend several hundred dollars for one just to have a skinnier 40mm/50mm lens. A lens in that range is useful to me now and again but for $200-300? I'd rather grab the 55-300 instead. For me that would be getting more bang for my buck.

I will cheerfully sacrifice a thinner lens for more range. 40mm just isn't that much different from 50mm to me. It's not wide enough to really get the wide angle shots. It's not wide enough really for landscapes and such. It's not really long enough to get portrait shots as I like them. I know some people use a wide angle for that but I don't. I don't like the look of portraits done with a true wide angle. They're touting this 40mm lens for portraits but that's not even in the range I really like to use for that most of the time. I can and do use a 50mm for it but I much prefer a lens in the 70mm-150mm range for portraits. The 85MM AF lens? I actually covet that like mad, but that's just not a lens I can see myself affording anytime soon. I'd buy that a lot faster than a 40mm though.

I do have one older 35mm if I really need to go there but I don't expect I will use it a heck of a lot on my DSLR. I'm glad to have it to play with but about the only thing I can see that a 40mm pancake would be a really good idea for is discreet street shooting. Better than a 50? That's debatable but to each his or her own preference I suppose. I'm still far more likely to put one of my 50mm's on there for what this lens is advertised as being useful for though. 40mm prime? It's one of those lenses I wouldn't mind having if I really had a lot of money to spend on glass but that I just don't consider a "must" for my kit most of the time.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 06-09-2012, 03:16 AM  
Canon 40mm Pancake: Okay, Pentax, time to wake up on lens pricing!
Posted By Heie
Replies: 136
Views: 13,724
and on and on and on and on.

I am getting absolutely sick and tired of self-proclaimed Pentaxians bitching and complaining about how expensive the Pentax offerings are. Are some of their lenses more expensive than their Canonikon counterparts? Sure. But at the end of the day, we always say a camera company is judged by it's flagship lines. Hence why "Pentax will never be considered a pro camera maker until there's FF." On that I call utter bullshit, and you should be ashamed of yourselves. Is the K-5 not good enough for you? Are you THAT GOOD that you personally have outresolved it's sensor and capabilities? Are you better than all those "pros" that have ditched their FF gear for the K-5?

No, instead we just bitch and complain because that's all we do. I got it, it's human nature - but it has gotten to the point of spoiled and entitled brats that we are unable to even catch a glimpse of the forest for the trees.

So how about we judge the flagship counterparts offered by the Big 3?

PENTAX
Pentax K-5 Body - $919 - 740g (with battery) - 100% Weather Sealed
DA* 16-50mm f/2.8 SDM - $1,099.00 - 565g - 100% Weather Sealed
DA* 50-135mm f/2.8 SDM - $999.95 - 686g - 100% Weather Sealed
DA* 60-250mm f/4 SDM - $1399.00 - 1040g - 100% Weather Sealed
DA* 55mm f/1.4 SDM - $669.95 - 375g - 100% Weather Sealed
DA* 200mm f/2.8 SDM - $964.95 - 825g - 100% Weather Sealed
DA* 300mm f/4 SDM - $1,199.95 - 1070g - 100% Weather Sealed

Total: $7251.80, 5301g



CANON
Canon 7D Body - $1,699.00 - 860g - 100% Weather Sealed
EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM - $1,599.00 - 953g - No Stabilization - NOT Sealed
EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM - $2,299.00 - 1490g - "Resistance" to dust/water
EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM - $1,699.00 - 1,380g - NOT Sealed
EF 85mm f/1.2L USM - $2,199.00 - 1030g - No Stabilization - NOT Sealed
EF 200mm f/2.8L USM - $799.00 - 765g - No Stabilization - NOT Sealed
EF 300mm f/4L USM - $1,449.00 - 1190g - No Stabilization - NOT Sealed

-*EF 100-400 - Note that this lens has a variable aperture that is from f/4.5 to 5.6 while it's APS-C counterpart, the DA* 60-250, is a constant f/4 throughout.
-*EF 85 f/1.2 - Note that this lens is faster than it's APS-C counterpart, the DA* 55mm, however Canon does not offer an 85mm f/1.4

Total: $11,743, 7668g



NIKON
Nikon D7000 Body - $1,196.95 - 780g - 100% Weather Sealed
Nikkor 24-70mm f/2.8G - $1,886.95 - 900g - "Resistance" to dust/water
Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G VR II - $2,396.95 - 1540g - "Resistance" to dust/water
Nikkor 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 VR - $1,529.00 - 1,360g - NOT Sealed
Nikkor 85 f/1.4G - $1,699.95 - 660g - No Stabilization - "Resistance" to dust/water
NO 200mm f/2.8 OFFERED
Nikkor 300mm f/4L - DISCONTINUED - 1440g - No Stabilization - NOT Sealed

-*Incomplete lineup by Nikon - unable to completely compare - Note that without 2 telephoto lenses, Nikon kit still exceeds price and weight of the entire Pentax DA* lineup.
-*Nikkor 80-400 - Note that this lens has a variable aperture that is from f/4.5 to 5.6 while it's APS-C counterpart, the DA* 60-250, is a constant f/4 throughout.

Total: $9211.85, 6680g


Other lenses that Pentax offers (i.e. you don't need to go straight to the pro-line with Pentax in order to get weather sealing).
Pentax DA 18-55 WR - $179.95
Pentax DA 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 WR - $459.95
Pentax DA 50-200 f/4-5.6 WR - $249.95
Pentax DFA 100mm Macro WR - $649.95 (Canon equivalent is $1049 and Nikon equivalent is $879)



Guess what the brand new guy or gal who comes to PF.com or DPReview looking for information on Pentax's offerings sees?

"Pentax sucks"

"Pentax is way out of touch with reality!"

"Pentax's pricing is completely egregious!"

And guess what you just did - you just scared away another potential Pentaxian. Multiply that by several hundred, if not several thousand, and that would have helped fund the R&D and products we crave by adding revenue and market share to Pentax Ricoh Imaging Company.

So go ahead, keep your camera in its case, let the batteries go stale, and spend all of your time here complaining about what a terrible company Pentax is and they can't seem to deliver anything right.

I hope you're proud of yourselves.

Does Pentax have it's shortcomings? Of course it does. Guess what? Nikon and Canon and even Leica do too. But I don't lose focus of the greater perspective: I, for one, couldn't be happier with any of my Pentax gear. And I look to add to that as needed, even if that means paying a bit extra for the Pentax equivalent if there is one - because that money comes right back to me with more and better products.

Respectfully,
Heie
Forum: Photographic Technique 06-06-2012, 11:28 AM  
APS-C does not increase focal length over FF, it decreases field of view.
Posted By top-quark
Replies: 135
Views: 14,882
Forum: Photographic Technique 06-04-2012, 02:43 PM  
APS-C does not increase focal length over FF, it decreases field of view.
Posted By emalvick
Replies: 135
Views: 14,882
Uggh...

I really think a big reason for all this EFL stuff was marketing. Lenses were never really marketed based on their field of view. Sure, the statistics are there to be found and even relatively easy to calculate if you want to. Relating APS-C back to standard 35 mm frames and lenses was beneficial to camera and lens companies because you make a person feel like they can easily get the reach they couldn't afford to on 35 mm. Marketing a 200 mm lens as equivalent to 300 mm is good marketing albeit deceptive. All of a sudden the typical consumer thinks the 200 mm lens is a bargain since it has a 300 mm reach.

I think the added confusion came with P&S cameras with very small sensors. My previous non-dslr digital camera had a sensor size that had something like a 6 x field of view/crop-factor vs. a 35 mm/FF film/sensor. It was a long zoom p&s with a supposed equivalent focal length of 36 to 480 mm; It's real focal length was more like 6 to 80 mm (I guess as I think the real focal length finished in the 70's of mm). When you looked at the EXIF it only spit out EFL. I only knew the real focal length from the fine print in the manual. Regardless, the marketing always sounds more appealing when you market for the more.

I generally think that when people are initially into photography with little experience on the technical aspects, they are more likely to go after longer rather than wider and larger numbers appeal more than smaller numbers. It's just the way we are. My first goal after getting the K10d (my first dSLR) was how was I going to get that 450+ reach I had with my old P&S (I was actually happy as a kid with a Minolta SLR with only a 50 mm prime and a 135 mm prime). I wanted that power and flexibility. It only took a year to realize the real power for my shooting habits was wide, but I digress.

The problem in this thread, is that in general, we are all smart enough and know what is going on with slight variations of our point of views. These variations aren't wrong they are just different perspectives just like the different perspective you get when you take two different focal length lenses and put yourself into two different distances to fit the same field of view into the two lenses. The perspective always makes the images different even if that person in the middle of the shot is occupying the same size in either shot.

I personally don't worry much about EFL because if it works for someone it works. No sense in overwhelming someone when you see the confusion in this thread that most people seemingly have right. I'll even admit to using EFL because when I am browsing photos online and see something that catches my eye shot by someone with a FF camera, I want to know whether I could get the same type of shot with my own equipment. I also use EFL to put all my older P&S digital photos focal lengths into an EFL for APS-C in my cataloging program so that all my digital photos are on an equal playing field when I look at FL statistics in evaluating my shooting habits. Is it right? technically, no, but I also don't want to be looking at a ton of 6 mm shots and thinking that I am shooting super wide angle all the time when I barely shoot shots wider than 15 mm on my K5. Granted, I don't look at that data much any more, but it was useful when I started snapping up some prime lenses to see where I tend to shoot the most FL wise/

Last, if you want to talk about DOF issues and nit-pick at the differences between FF and APS-C, try to look at the DOF on a P&S. Even the best of those tiny sensor cameras tend to hit a hyperfocal distance an inch or two beyond your camera. That's actually one reason P&S are so popular. Everything is pretty much in focus all the time. The short real focal lengths allow you to get away with low shutter speeds hand-held. All that and you don't really have to think. I have family members who swear that my camera sucks because of those types of differences until they see great photo that they know they can't make with their own.

Again, it is all just a matter of perspective.
Forum: General Talk 06-04-2012, 07:59 AM  
Artist turns his dead pet into flying helicopter after it is killed by a car
Posted By jogiba
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Many animal lovers find it hard to part with their pets when they die.

So when cat Orville, named after the famous aviator Orville Wright, was run over by a car, his artist owner decided to turn him into a permanent piece of artwork as the ultimate tribute by transforming him into a flying helicopter.

Dutch artist Bart Jansen first stuffed Orville before teaming up with radio control helicopter flyer Arjen Beltman to build a specially-designed flying mechanism to attach to the cat.

Read more: Cats away! Artist turns his dead pet into flying helicopter after it is killed by a car | Mail Online




Forum: Flashes, Lighting, and Studio 06-03-2012, 09:13 PM  
Reverse engineer this lighting (just for fun)
Posted By devorama
Replies: 8
Views: 1,669
So I noticed a very peculiar thing about the lighting in my office. I took a picture with my phone to illustrate it. This picture has not been post processed, nor any in-phone filters used. I also did nothing to alter the lighting as I saw it. Can you see what's so odd here and can you explain it?

Forum: General Talk 06-03-2012, 02:30 PM  
Poll: Staying with Pentax or jumping ship?
Posted By PentaxMom Felua
Replies: 324
Views: 27,776
My ship is in the middle of the ocean and I cann't see no other near, if I jump I am even more lost then I am now on this lonely boat of me. It may be half wrecked, with wholes near the water line and I might be drowning soon, but is is what I am on. To what other shore shall I turn to salvage me. This mere boat must carry me or I shall be lost in the sea.
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