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Forum: Video Recording and Processing 11-24-2010, 03:06 PM  
AE-L Overexposure workaround
Posted By dande
Replies: 6
Views: 3,350
So, I guess us Pentax users just have to live with a lot of work-arounds. :) I haven't found this information anywhere yet, so why I am posting it now.
My main problem was, that when AE-Locking and starting a recording I've got overexposed images.
So, if you do a AE test (or DOF test) by pulling the on switch to the right, and holding it there, and while you are doing the AE test, you lock the exposure, you will get correctly exposed video when you hit record.
Hope this helps someone.

Edit: this was tested on the K-7 with the latest firmware.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 10-18-2010, 09:27 AM  
DA 35mm/2.4 - A Plastic Wonder! -- DAL35 vs FA35 vs DA35m vs A35 (many photos!)
Posted By frank
Replies: 141
Views: 119,554
DAL 35/2.4 - A Plastic Wonder!

I got the new DA35/2.4 lens along with my new K5 camera a few days ago. It is a beautiful looking lens, kinda like a smaller sized FA77. But when held in hand, it feels really light. It's probably the lightest non-pancake lens I've every had. Yeah, it's plastic lens with a plastic mount like all the DAL lenses, and it doesn't come with quickshift feature. Why Pentax called this one as a DA instead of a DAL is beyond me, but I'd call it as DAL35 in this short review simply because it has a plastic mount, it doesn't have quickshift feature, and it's easier to differentiate from the DA35 macro lens.

I got it purely because of its price and curiosity, not because I need another 35mm lens (I already have the FA31 and FA43 Ltd lenses, two of my favorite lenses). Well, after two days play, I really like this little lens, and think its light weight is a selling point instead of a drawback. It is so light and compact, I don't feel much extra weight at all when mounted on the K5 camera. Believe it or not, this has been the only AF lens that I've ever used to actually take photos ever since I got the new K5 camera. Normally I'd try all my lenses on a new camera just to make sure the camera and all my lenses are matching well. But this time I decided to give this lens a really good run.

30mm to 50mm happens to be my favorite focal length on cropped dSLR cameras, and I've had pretty much all Pentax 35mm lenses except that mystery SMC M 35/1.4 which never came to production stage. The results from the K5 and DA35/2.4 have been very satisfactory so far, and I do think I've got some keepers.

Pentax has made quite a few 35mm lenses, other than this new DAL35, there is a DA35 macro which is still under production, and the highly rated FA35/2 might still be in production too. I guess sometimes we are spoiled by so many options offered by Pentax, just don't know which one to buy or keep. A few friends asked me to do a thorough comparison between a few Pentax 35mm lenses, two of them even offered their DA35 macro, FA35/2 and a rare A35/2 to me for the comparison review. To be honest, I'm not really good at reviewing lenses, normally when I got a new lens, I'd just bring it out for a spin instead of shooting some charts at home. But since this is probably the only prime lens under $250usd currently offered by Pentax, I'd like to see how it stands against the other few 35mm lenses too.

Enough said, let's get to the points. Obviously Pentax designed this lens based on the FA35/2. Both lenses have the same 6 elements in 5 group optical design, both feature the AL element to minimize aberrations, and both can focus as close as 30cm. The new DAL35 is much lighter at 124g vs 195g for the FA35 (and 215g for the DA35 macro). To save the cost, this new DAL35 lens doesn't come with bayonet fitting for a matching lens hood, only a 49mm screw on lens hood can be used. But this lens has Pentax Super Protect coating on the first lens element to help minimize dust & water to stay on the lens. AF is very fast, even faster than the FA35/2 which is considered as one of the fasted AF lenses by Pentax. During the test against the other 3 35mm lenses, I felt that DAL35 is actually slightly faster than F2.4. Photos taken at the same settings (iso/aperture/shutter speed) appear to be brighter than those from the other 35mm lenses. It is more or less an F2.2 lens I think.

Anyway, after a couple of days play and some tests, here are my over impressions about this lens:

1. Looks beautiful, compact and light weight
2. Makes sharp photos even at wide open aperture
3. Produces very pleasing bokeh and colors
4. Hard to see any CA in the actual photos
5. SP coating for easy cleaning
6. Can focus down to 30cm for some nice closeups
7. Plastic mount might feel cheap, but it's not the first ever
8. Widest aperture is actually faster than F2.4, It's more like a F2.1 to F2.2 lens

Overall I'd say this is a plastic wonder.


In the following I'd show some testing results between these four lenses: DAL35, FA35, DA35macro and A35/2, with some sample photos taken by the DAL35 and a K5 camera. All chart testing photos were taken indoor under somehow controlled lighting condition with the camera mounted on sturdy tripod, 2 second mirror up was used for all testing photos (but not for the sample photos). Pictures speak for themselves.

Here is the lineup:





The FA35 has slightly bigger rear element:



Shooting the chart
The camera was set to manual white balance and manual exposure, same iso/aperture/shutter speed were set for all lenses in the same set photos. As I said above, from the chart testing results you can see that the results from DAL35 appear to be slightly brighter than the other lenses. But I kept all settings the same anyway.

Here is the chart:



Here I'll only show the 100% crops of the centers and corners.

F2
FA35 center:

A35 center:

FA35 corner:

A35 corner:


F2.4 (F2.5 for FA35 and A35)
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

A35 center:

DA35 corner:

FA35 corner:

A35 corner:


F2.8
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

DA35macro center:

A35 center:

DA35 corner:

FA35 corner:

DA35macro corner:

A35 corner:


F4
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

DA35macro center:

A35 center:

DA35 corner:

FA35 corner:

DA35macro corner:

A35 corner:


F5.6
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

DA35macro center:

A35 center:

DA35 corner:

FA35 corner:

DA35macro corner:

A35 corner:


F8
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

DA35macro center:

A35 center:

DA35 corner:

FA35 corner:

DA35macro corner:

A35 corner:


F11
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

DA35macro center:

A35 center:

DA35 corner:

FA35 corner:

DA35macro corner:

A35 corner:


F16
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

DA35macro center:

A35 center:

DA35 corner:

FA35 corner:

DA35macro corner:

A35 corner:



CA (or whatever it's called) in high contrast area

Wide open aperture (F2 to A and FA35, F2.4 for DAL35, F2.8 for DA35 macro)
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

DA35macro center:

A35 center:

DA35 edge:

FA35 edge:

DA35macro edge:

A35 edge:


F4
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

DA35macro center:

A35 center:

DA35 edge:

FA35 edge:

DA35macro edge:

A35 edge:


F8
DA35 center:

FA35 center:

DA35macro center:

A35 center:

DA35 edge:

FA35 edge:

DA35macro edge:

A35 edge:



Bokeh

Wide open aperture (F2 to A and FA35, F2.4 for DAL35, F2.8 for DA35 macro)
DA35:

FA35:

DA35macro:

A35:


F4
DA35:

FA35:

DA35macro:

A35:


F8
DA35:

FA35:

DA35macro:

A35:



Here are some sample photos I took w/ K5 and DAL35/2.4. All photos taken in RAW (PEF), then converted by Pentax Photo Utility v4.3.


For more samples, please take a look at here:


https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/118504-k-5-da-35mm...ny-photos.html


































100% crops of a few photos (all taken w/ DAL35 at wide open aperture)











Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 07-21-2010, 08:36 AM  
LumoLabs: Shutter induced blur with the Pentax K-7 camera
Posted By falconeye
Replies: 154
Views: 38,786
LumoLabs: Shutter induced blur with the Pentax K-7 camera

Two of my friends and myself have attempted and succeeded to clarify once and forever the question if the K-7 camera can produce additional blur (compared to, e.g., the K20D). And if so, under what shooting situations. And if so, if there is a workaround. And if so, why.

We found the answers to all these questions.

Please go to
Falk Lumo blog: LumoLabs: Shutter-induced blur with an SLR camera
to learn more.
(This is no plug to create traffic towards my blog. I have no ads on my blog and don't even measure its traffic ;) )

Some more info (skip this if you're going to read the blog article!):
--

A recent observation made by us and others was that shake reduction efficiency for the Pentax K-7 camera seemed to have a weak spot around about 1/100s and less. Something nobody could really understand and not everybody was able to confirm.

Therefore, we decided to try to answer an old and fundamental question for SLR photography: To which extent does the mechanical focal plane shutter and the mirror slap negatively influence image sharpness? Especially in the digital age with its theoretically rather high image resolution. We, this means two friends (Henning and Rüdiger) and myself (Falk). And of course, we decided to focus our study to the Pentax K-7 SLR camera in order to provde an answer to the observation mentioned above.

The short story is that we managed to find the answers. All our findings are written down in detail in a LumoLabs White paper:

-> LumoLabs -- Shutter-induced blur for Pentax K-7.

Please refer to this document to actually understand the work we have done. In the following, we will summarize our findings without explaining how we got there. However, note that 4 different camera bodies, data from 4 testers, 8 lenses and two firmware versions have been used. More than thousand test shots and several thousand accurate blur data measurements have been aggregated. High speed video, acoustic recording and acceleration measurements complement the data. So, we assure that the result describe the general behaviour of a Pentax K-7 SLR camera. Pentax has obtained a copy of the paper to be used at their discretion.

We will make no statement about how the results relate to other SLR cameras. Except for a quantitative comparison with one Pentax K20D SLR camera.


Results:


  1. The mechanical focal plane shutter indirectly can increase the blur in an image. The exact amount of additional blur depends on the direction in the image. It is zero at a vertical contrast edge (aka yaw blur, blur due to yaw movement). And it is up to 11 µm (on average) at a horizontal contrast edge (aka nick blur, blur due to nick movement).

    The exact amount of average blur is shown in the opening figure of this article. It has its maximum for shutter speeds of about 1/100s to 1/80s. It is less than 5 µm for 1/25s and slower. Or 1/250s and faster.

    Note that any single image can be affected more or less. Add or subtract +/-50% to get an idea of variation from image to image.

    Note that one pixel is 5 µm large and the blur effect is only visible if all other sources of blur are very well under control (sharpening, defocus, shake, subject blur, lens abberation, noise etc.). Normally, these other sources mask the effect. Nevertheless, if you want tack sharp images then you need to understand the shutter blur effect.

  2. The effect for the Pentax K-7 is larger than for the Pentax K20D. About 2 - 3x larger.

  3. Mirror slap or shake reduction have no negative or positive impact on the effect. Shake reduction works as advertized but cannot counteract the perturbation from the focal plane shutter as it is too fast really. Mirror slap is very well dampened in the K-7 camera and has no negative impact on image resolution except on a weak tripod.

    There is a delay of about 10 ms between end of mirror slap and begin of shutter operation which suffices to keep the mirror slap perturbation out of the image.

  4. The blur effect is an indirect one:

    First, the moving masses of the shutter (curtain etc.) make the body move (with surprising speed and acceleration of its stiff body!).

    Second, the body movements cause a classical blur effect lasting as long as the shutter works. The K-7 shutter is faster and stronger than that of the K20D probably increasing the effect by some 60% or so.

    Third, the body accelerations cause additional vibrations in the imaging sensor which last a bit longer than the first shutter curtain operates and which magnify the effect by another 60% or so.

    Preventing the first from happening (which requires a heavy and sturdy tripod) will kill the effect. There is no "loose" magnetically held imaging sensor and no negative direct impact from shutter curtain or mirror slap causing air flow in the mirror box or whatever.

  5. In practice, you'll only see any effect with wide angle lenses.

    At about 1/100s you would normally have blur due to free-hand shake (we can ignore the case of a tripod as only weak tripods would cause any trouble with the shutter). At 50 mm and longer, the shutter blur will be masked and at 30 mm it will have comparable magnitude. It is at 10-20 mm that the effect will be noticeable most.

    In these cases, we highly recommend to shoot at 1/25s (or slower) and to enable shake reduction as it is highly efficient at such exposure speeds. The images will be sharper than at 1/100s!

  6. Early efficiency tests of the K-7 shake reduction suggested that it may be ineffective at fast shutter speeds as required for long focal lengths. This was a preliminary conclusion we proved to be wrong.

    The Pentax shake reduction is effective even at 1/500s! It just cannot prevent the shutter blur at about 1/100s. We may soon publish an update to our SR guide reflecting this.

Please, read the blog and the White paper before discussing this. Thank You.
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