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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 10-31-2015, 05:28 AM  
Some Crappy shots of the new FF Camera
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 560
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.... and do Histograms based off RAW processing so the DSLR World can finally do proper ETTR without mental gymnastics.... with blinkies that represent actual blown highlights in the RAW file, instead of indicating maybe you have 1-2 stops of highlight headroom left to go in hi-key scenarios.

Any camera maker that does this... that finally transitions from film-era exposure modalities into maximizing the potential of digital.... in a mirrorless body, will take over the... oh who am I kidding. Pros use CaNikon because CaNikon actually have pro service. I was thinking of the A7Rii, but you MUST accept a Sony camera is a throw-away piece of gear if it breaks, due to the product cycle, discontinuing A-mount, and a certain no-name USA service center which both Sony and Pentax (and Nikon to a degree) now contract all repair to. Which also sways me to wait six months or so if I decide on the K-1.... I absolutely don't want my 2,500 hard-earned dollars headed to Connecticut for warranty repair.

---------- Post added 10-31-15 at 05:30 AM ----------



Don't worry, Sony will fix that in the A7Riii. :cool:

I've been reading up, and I'm coming to the conclusion, that for an amateur who already has a serviceable and full APS-C DSLR kit, it really doesn't make any sense to spend $3,000 on body/accessories or $6-8,000 on a basic full-frame system for a year or two or three, if your money is hard-earned. Either CaNikon finally release a mirrorless full-frame, or we enjoy new Pentax FF Digital lenses at "reasonable" "street price" and Sony will release the A7mk.XXX by then, or for the same money I can buy a bargain-bin A7Rii and a Leica lens or two and be done with it.

I am horrified already at the nuclear holocaust we're going to have with "unsharp in corners, lens is junk" with legacy glass on the FF... ugh. I hope pentax doesn't release more optically-crippled pancakes for FF. Let's get 400 gram primes from 24-85 at f/1.8 for $300 new, please.

What is it with the lack of basic 24mm and 85mm primes from Pentax in the F/FA era? Were 24 and 85 just considered too niche, like only portrait photogs wanted an 85 and if people wanted a 20mm way more than a 24 back in those days? So Pentax made FA* and soft-focus primes at those focal lengths? And what about the slow speeds? (No 1.8 wides) Is that because of a Pentax tradition of "Smaller is Our Thing?" Or would it have diluted the market share for the FA Ltds?
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 10-24-2015, 11:16 AM  
Some Crappy shots of the new FF Camera
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 560
Views: 110,225
How bout that jpeg filter button? Hogging the d-pad still.
Many premium point n shoots have programmable dpads to some extent. Why a mirror box makes that undoable is beyond me.

Also, not to spoil the party! But that right option wheel is I say not gonna be an OVF overlay... it's a "pro" dslr thing a-la Nikon's left top plate buttons that run options on the grip wheels. Ch/Cl is continuous drive mode hi low and I'm happy to not have to look at the rear LCD to do that. Pentax is just making sure to keep up with the big boys in control ergonomics.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 10-24-2015, 09:10 AM  
Some Crappy shots of the new FF Camera
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 560
Views: 110,225
I know it sounds incoherent, but if the K-1 has dedicated JPEG feature buttons, which can't be re-programmed, I'm out. I'll buy a used Sony A7R instead and deal with that busted user interface in favor of shooting glass from any manufacturer and having EVF focus peaking. I enjoy my K-3 but if I can't have a gun-slinging ergonomic wonderland, I think I'm gonna slow down and go for performance in IQ (accurate eyepiece focus) and frankly more bang for my buck when it comes to primes. She does look lovely though.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 10-12-2015, 07:28 PM  
Brickwall / "Chart" test - How does my lens look?
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 11
Views: 3,166
What I have noticed, in my seemingly futile search for good "real world" test shots (frame-filling, full frame scene detail all in DOF, cloudy days, hard shadows) is this:

This lens/camera is back-focusing quite a bit at 10-12 foot distances, anyway, when the PDAF has to rack from infinity focus. It's pretty well on when focusing from near focus. Sometimes if I mash the AF button repeatedly, PDAF will occasionally lock a tighter focus, once again if focusing from infinity. CDAF nails it every time. This behavior is quite consistent. I tried AF adjustments, but whoa now. Do we have to determine, with our AF lenses, if we want accurate PDAF in EITHER focusing from infinity, or from near field? My god. If that's true, I'm selling my AF lenses. Anyway I didn't pay attention during my brickwalls, but this behavior could be aggravating an "in-spec" right-hand softness. Also it seems the Spot-AF bucket is truly way bigger than indicated, because it's significantly missed some shots where the focus subject is almost totally filling the semi-circle AF frame in the viewfinder.

---------- Post added 10-12-15 at 07:32 PM ----------

The only reason I haven't done the exhaustive test regimen a-la lensrentals is because my apartment isn't big enough to test a telephoto lens. I suppose I could just look silly doing this somewhere downtown for an hour. The 50-135 with hood mounted is pretty conspicuous to begin with!
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 10-07-2015, 01:15 AM  
Brickwall / "Chart" test - How does my lens look?
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 11
Views: 3,166
I am around 15 feet from the wall, so depth of field at f/2.8 is around 4 feet. Shutter speed is 1/2000. I have my back against another brick wall which was presumably laid parallel to the one I'm shooting. Observance of, if not expert performance at, holding technique. Center sharpness at f/2.8 seems about right but it degrades rather non-uniformly from the right.

The flare in the middle and right hand columns from the center exhibits a 7 o'clock flare that's not consistent with what you could presume to be varying flare direction due to the curve of the lens. Plus the right-hand flares are more pronounced than the left. Going from focus to slight unfocus shows the flare growing in live view.

But I haven't tested for this before. Maybe I'm all wrong. :)
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 10-06-2015, 06:16 PM  
Brickwall / "Chart" test - How does my lens look?
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 11
Views: 3,166
I took some brickwall tests of my copy of the DA* 50-135.

I did it a couple times on different days and the results were consistent. Standing 20' away from the brickwall, handheld. Pick from an autofocus series or live view manual focusing... didn't make a difference to the pictures, depth of field at 20' is deep enough and I was pretty well eyeball aligned with the wall.

I also did a poor man's paper chart per the lensrentals.com blog. About 12 feet away, tripod, same exposures. Focus in live view, then rack out of focus slightly back and forward and take a picture at each.
Here's the lensrentals blog entry: LensRentals.com - Testing for a Decentered Lens: an Old Technique Gets a Makeover

I am going to refrain on my observations and simply ask you all to take a look and tell me what you think.

Thanks all!

Shots: All at f/2.8 50mm.

1) Brickwall center crop
2) left center edge crop
3) right center edge crop

3) Backfocus center crop
4) left center edge crop
5) right center edge crop

6) Frontfocus center crop
7) left center edge crop
8) right center edge crop

phew!
Forum: Lens Clubs 09-28-2015, 11:14 PM  
The F Club!
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 1,237
Views: 256,260
.... and will shoot through tight black chain link fence at f/8 with lens/hand pressed right up against it... isometric coupling!
Forum: Sold Items 09-28-2015, 06:16 PM  
For Sale - Sold: DA 20-40 Limited and DA* 55/1.4
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 0
Views: 1,051
PentaxForums.com Marketplace Listing

Item for Sale
DA 20-40 Limited and DA* 55/1.4

Asking Price
1,250.00 USD

Item Location
02130 (United States)

Item Description
DA Limited 20-40 zoom and DA* 55/1.4.
Both bought brand new from B&H this year. 20-40 around May and 55 around July.
Both with store receipts in my name, original boxes and all paperwork.
CONDITION: EXCELLENT.
They have been used. It is apparent, looking at the mounts. (I am an aircraft mechanic and I have German-engineered laser-guided microscopes for eyes.)

I have brick-wall tested both for optical issues, and have found nothing obvious.
Both of them focus fine on my K-3.
I am really loathe to give them up, but I need zoom glass for what I shoot.

I need a DA* 16-50 and a DA* 50-135.

Considering how authorized-dealer-new both my lenses are, I would like to trade for these two DA* zooms which are also in a similar state of newness.

Once again, that's a DA Limited 20-40 and DA* 55, both less than six months off-the-shelf, for the DA* 16-50 and 50-135 still under warranty from an authorized Pentax USA dealer and with receipts.

I have the brick wall series available for upload. Product photos take a lot more work, however I will take them if anybody expresses interest.

$1,250 if you want to buy them outright, so I can buy the DA zooms used from an authorized dealer.

I seriously don't want to give up the 55 but I need the zooms so I'm probably not going to split up my offer.
Unless of course you can offer me a used lens that's under warranty and you have the receipt and all paperwork.

Thanks!

Are you the original owner of the item being sold?
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Selling or Trading

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Excellent

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No returns. Disputes handled in accordance with PayPal policy.

If you prefer UPS or FedEx, that may take an additional day to process, presuming our transaction is completed on a day followed by a business day.

Please send me a private message if interested in the item!
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 09-28-2015, 10:34 AM  
FA 70-210 f4-5.6 flaring
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 5
Views: 1,172
Post edited! Doh! Thanks.
Forum: Lens Clubs 09-28-2015, 03:11 AM  
DA* Club
Posted By Nutox
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I dunno... if I never made big prints, and/or did good stitching, I could just weld this lens to my K-3.

K-3 DA* 55
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 09-27-2015, 10:00 PM  
FA 70-210 f4-5.6 flaring
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 5
Views: 1,172
Nope, no filter!
Forum: Post Your Photos! 09-27-2015, 09:56 PM  
Night Moon photo - how to take a decent lunar picture?
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 20
Views: 2,478
I have a Mefoto Backpacker and I have definitely noticed with a K-3 and a 50mm lens mounted that there is shaking in the rig after your touch the camera. I look at a subject 12 feet away with a 50mm lens with focus assist magnification in live view at 10x magnification, and there's plenty of residual vibration after you touch the camera. I always use the 12-second timer on my K-3 when shooting with a tripod. The vibration dies off. Also the mirror locks-up in live view, so that shouldn't be shaking the Mefoto. I haven't really used it much outdoors where wind and ground vibrations of passing traffic etc. might indicate a big heavy tripod.

Also, extending the top tube of a tripod will make the shaking worse.

Also, the moon moves! I don't ever take astrophoto shots but you can see the moon move in live view especially when you've got the grid display up. 30 seconds was definitely too much movement. I shot at 4 seconds and you can still see some movement.

I've seen people take a short exposure, just illuminating the crescent area. Corrected for white balance and luminosities in pp, it makes for a soft, deep light really revealing details in contrast.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 09-27-2015, 09:26 PM  
FA 70-210 f4-5.6 flaring
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 5
Views: 1,172
I shot this snap of the moon with a K-3, F 70-210 at 190mm, f/6.7, 4 seconds at ISO 1600.

A street light was 20 feet on the ground behind me, up and to the left.
Diffuse patches of probably -6EV light were way out of the field of view, but still in front of the camera, bouncing from the sides of two buildings starting ten feet away, lens was pointed up through the roof line areas.
Diffuse reflections about 30 feet away from an out-of-sight floodlamp. A couple of dim windows in the working area.
Pictures of this working area are included below. I tried to expose them so they resemble the luminance of the scene as seen by the eye.

I tried in PP tweaking exposure and noise reduction. Dropping highlights seems like I was more or less correctly exposed for the darker side of the moon. The black of the sky should not be this white. All combinations of brightness manipulation leave this glow over the black. ISO 1600 on a K-3 really isn't the cause, I presume.

I was not using a hood. Is this glow/drop in contrast probably coming from these out-of-field light sources?
The flare and ghosting from the moon is bad enough... could the field glow then be from internal reflections from the light source that is the subject?
I suppose this is a pretty hard test for a lens... or not?

Or I just overexposed and am not good at PP!



---------- Post added 09-27-15 at 09:34 PM ----------

I figured it out... this is probably how cameras work. Think of all that light flopping around the light box and spilling over the sensor area. I should be impressed it looks so good. Right?
Forum: Pentax Full Frame 09-08-2015, 10:32 PM  
How will the new FF compare to the Nikon D810????
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 63
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It seems to me, from random encounters of information in lens tests and educational articles online, high-end Nikons and Canons just have a bunch of tunes, tweaks, settings, that are geared to completely serious users in their systems. Like there's in-camera options for which focusing screen you have installed, adjustment of playback and live view parameters like focus peaking and highlight warning sensitivities... buttons aren't HARD CODED TO JPEG SHOOTING ITEMS, and Canikon releasing APIs, making tools like FoCal possible. (Do people make custom computer programs to control their high-end full frames, for.... stuff?) Custom ISO / Shutter steps. A 1/250 flash sync. Etc. I know I'd like to install an s-type or split-type focusing screen made by my camera's OEM and have settings in the camera to make it work right. Plus, on my K-3 today, I just noticed the "maze" pattern evident in the dark region of the dynamic range, at 200%. Sony's been blasted for their full-frame RAW format being lossy, but those are people who are seriously pushing the print quality potential of their cameras. I can shoot an f1.4 lens wide open at ISO 3200 on my K-3, and make perfectly usable computer-monitor sized pictures with judicious post-processing. In fact, I think the thing making me stay in APS-C and not go to M4/3 or even just carrying an RX100 is that the K-3's ergonomics are AWESOME and a DSLR (usually) has a wider shooting envelope with focusing, burst rates, FLASHES, and most of all, terrific battery life (with a grip I can shoot as long as I can buy AA batteries in a store along the way), and hey, it's rugged. All for a thousand bucks. Though as you know no camera is perfect, and personally I'm waiting for a FF camera that has an EVF, battery grip AND awesome ergonomics... it will come... I owned an RX100, and if it weren't for the form factor, performance, and in-camera USB charging (which I prefer), I would have hated it because of the haptics. I've handled the A7 and A6000... I don't like sony's design. If the K-3 had an electronic focus distance scale display accessible in live view... anywhere... and MAYBE a tilt screen.... well, I already find the K-3 to be really fast shooting "from the hip." I've had some shots I wouldn't have gotten with another camera with a fumbly interface.

What I'm saying is... Pentax is feature-rich, FOR THE PRICE. I wonder what direction they're going to take the FF. Hopefully no-holds barred, come out swinging, $4k MSRP, features people would die for, or at least be on the same playing field as other high end FFs. They don't need a $1,500 FF DSLR. Please no. There's a lot of really nice things in a $3-5k camera body. I have to live with Pentax knowing that Pentax seems to want to not totally alienate "scene mode" shooters and just not wanting to program certain useful things into software to keep their cameras affordable. It's a good balance but the extra features in another system may break the case for you.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 09-08-2015, 05:50 PM  
The True Nature of the DA* 55/1.4
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 11
Views: 2,412
Oh, I'll shoot it, for sure!

I find this whole subject fun to learn about... anyone here fluent in Japanese, so I can write a letter? :)

In addition to my handheld brick wall test in full sunlight, I did a tripod aperture series with flash indoors, with a ruler taped up and some objects.

What I have learned:

I seem to have a good copy. I have noticed no unevennes of unsharpness, no misfocusing manually, no defects in construction or operation.
I shot from 18 inches, then 12 feet. Manual live-view 10x focus peaking. Tried to only come to focus from near focusing to far. (I wonder what sort of backlash these funny little piezoelectric legs have?) Focused wide open once, focus point was not altered through the series, shot stopped down. Shot a lot of infinity frames outdoors, but nothing formally processed and looked at like the two tripod indoor series were.
Shot RAW, Imported with LR 5, default adobe camera calibration profile, no lens correction profile, no tweaking, just the default import/export settings and a 100% crop.
I see zero, or at least almost zero - not noticeable - focus shift with this lens.
Longitudinal chromatic aberration in spades!
Resolves fine structure well, as well as would be expected in this class of lens, I assume.
Fine detail wide open is indeed masked by low contrast... classic spherical aberration is going on here, it seems. I tried cleaning up the f1.4 frame, to increase actuance, f1.4 cleaned up to almost f2.0 performance, except my un-educated hacking suggests sacrificing something significant in the color/contrast area... skills I don't yet have, to retrieve saturation and other stuff. F1.7 cleans up even easier and by f2.0, from a pp standpoint, just a little work and then we're waiting for the high-frequency resolution to come up with stopping down.
Mid-frame bokeh from christmas lights about 18 inches behind the setup showed strong border wide open, quite muted by f2.0 and gone at f2.8.
PhotoBone mentions off-hand "no noticeable field curvature with this lens," but that's all they say. I've never noticed they go into it, I should look around that site. Some tripod infinity work left, then it's just go shoot some fun and look critically at those images later for me. Except writing a thesis on the DA* 55/1.4 lens.

I don't want to do any lens tests with autofoucs. So far, this copy is certainly behaving like it justifies all the reviews that say it's great. I don't want to experience first-hand the harsh truths of camera bodies, not now. :)

Thank you all for the anecdotes, suggestions, observations and analysis! It's good to be given an idea of what's a reasonable expectation and just the general knowledge of how something is.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 09-05-2015, 06:05 AM  
The True Nature of the DA* 55/1.4
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 11
Views: 2,412
Thank you!

Also, I should have said "longitudinal chromatic aberration," not lateral. And I thought about it... yes, the lens is probably NOT under-corrected for spherical aberration, per se, may be it's just almost ALL 'fast fifties' suffer from their spherical aberrations wide-open or near wide-open. I doubt correcting for incidental spherical aberration issues in a fast lens, wide-open, is a realistic optical engineering goal. That would be something you pay thousands of dollars for. (How do the Zeiss Otuses perform in this regard?) Clearly this lens appears to perform to the highest marks when stopped down.

Loss of contrast, Long. CA, these together with focus shift are quoted as the hallmarks of spherical aberration by H. H. Nasse in his "How to Read MTF Curves" white papers written for Zeiss.
(I don't want to hot-link these papers. Search them up. They're fantastic reads for people who did okay in math and science in high school or had some college, and generally enlightening in their observations and conclusions, otherwise. Also, his "Depth of Field and Bokeh" seems like it would be an absolute smash hit among the various photography forums.) So I presumed all the reports of focus issues had something to do with this.

Most of the reports of autofocus problems with the DA* 55/1.4 seem to be with back focus and users dialing in corrections for that. That could indicate focus shift, which, according to the articles on diglloyd, almost always manifests as back focus. And he tested all the DA Limited primes (except the DA* 55) and found them all to exhibit focus shift. Which is kinda wild considering how slow they each are wide open. A compromise for the physical form factor of the lenses? Funky interactions with field curvature? Or maybe he's just got a severely critical eye, he is a militant wizard about sharpness. Then you have the highly visible reports of people trying a dozen DA* 55's and seeing all copies focus totally randomly, or having apparently tilted elements.

I think the biggest thing that triggers my curiosity, is the DA* 55/1.4 being marketed as specifically a "portrait lens" and being compared to the FA* 85/1.4. The FA* is reported to consistently front-focus and to "behave poorly" focused at infinity, though at what distances and what exactly that means, I don't know. And certainly it's tuned to be bokeh-licious, which would have something to do with engineered under-correction of spherical aberration, if you consider the writings of H.H. Nasse.

I also have a DA 20-40 Ltd., and I don't wonder about that lens, because it isn't marketed as being application-specific. It's just a solid all-around performer with no glaring weaknesses, a great "adjustable normal" walkaround lens, bomb-proof in handling flare, seemingly no loss in contrast working into the light, sharp as you need it to be stopped down, not horrendous wide open, just a little mushy on the edges like any other lens. I carry it in-hand on the street where it's easy to handle and I can bang it off lamp posts and not worry too much, spill some milk on it etc.



Right! Not "in-spec" per se, we know how that goes with copy variation (thanks in no small part to the lensrentals blog) and factory service centers, I mean just performing in-character. Whaddaya mean, we don't yet have a forum group that's gone in together on the $420 Imatest "Lite" version (with printed test chart!) and gone all sortsa crazy testing Pentax lenses? That might have to change! (Though you have to pay megabucks for the full version that can test MTF other than MTF50. MTF10 and MTF90 at 10, 20, 40 lp/mm would make great fodder for arguments.)

Can someone enlighten me as to what is meant when it's said a lens "doesn't perform well at infinity?" Are we talking a nose-dive in the MTF, some visually apparent optical aberrations, crappy autofocus at the near-infinity mark, etc? It's not something you hear about much from people who spend actually-reasonable amounts of money on glass I guess.

I did some hand-held aperture series with a brick wall and an actual scene. I'll bust out the tripod to tighten things up, and set up my metal ruler under good light indoors and posts some test results myself. So far I at least don't appear to have any centering issues. I focused manually stopped-down in live view, I'll have to work a few variations of focus technique, too. Hit me up with those anecdotes and I'll come back with the patent search tomfoolery I've done.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 09-04-2015, 05:10 PM  
The True Nature of the DA* 55/1.4
Posted By Nutox
Replies: 11
Views: 2,412
Hello all,

I just got back into owning a DSLR after many years. I never was anything but a rank amateur, but now it's "game on." I picked a K-3 and got immersed in the whilrwind of learning about the actual particulars of lenses and their performance on actual cameras. It took a while, but I see a lot of information on-line, as a beginner looking for a clue, doesn't seem to be well-informed.

I assume the DA* 55/1.4 is a spherically under-corrected lens. As such, it should have soft contrast wide-open, lateral chromatic aberration issues, and should exhibit a decent amount of focus shift. These seem to be true from my use of it. It may also be a poor performer at infinity due to its design as a "portrait" lens, having a focus helicoid tuned to close-focus. But I'm not sure. I'm field testing it, but I'm gun-shy about the noted Pentax QA issues over recent years. I want to know that my copy is performing as designed. To do so, I need to know just what the design specifications are.

Pentax says it's the "spiritual successor to the FA* 85/1.4." Okay, so we can assume some gross performance similarities between the two. I imagine Jun Hirakawa MIGHT have tamed some of the wild-stallion properties of the FA* 85, to make the DA* 55 more "acceptable" by the average consumer in average use. Maybe not. If I were a Pro, I'd go out and shoot my lens and know everything about it and be comfortable in that knowledge. But nope! I want information!

I know Pentax doesn't publish MTF, and that MTF isn't the be-all measurement anyway. I, after many hours, looked up some of Jun Hirakawa's patents on his other lenses. It seems things like Point Spread Function plots and insightful design goals are provided in many lens patents. If I could get my hands on the patent for the DA* 55/1.4, I'd combine that with online test reports, anecdotal user reports and my own experience to A) know if I have a "good copy" and/or "good camera-lens combo" and B) be better able to maximize the potential of this lens while using it.

I know there's a lot to be said for practical photographic knowledge in testing and using lenses that were designed for particular uses.

I just want to get my hands on the goshdarn patent for this lens, and see if anyone out there has squirrled-away any documents measuring the design performance of this lens.

When I get into my weekend, I'll share how/where I've looked for patents, what I have found so far, and maybe share some general principles of lens design and performance that I myself didn't know when I started out. (Excellent resources like Lensrentals and a few excellent Zeiss whitepapers on MTF, for example.)

Please help! I'd like to see this thread turn into an effective reverse-engineering of the DA* 55/1.4 optical performance. I own it and so far I quite like it.
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