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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-28-2017, 07:24 AM
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I ahevvemaill viewsonic to find 9ut how to manually adjust the white point. Hopefully they will have good news. One step closer to getting results I want
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-28-2017, 02:08 AM
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macbook air 2011 and not retina. just 720p
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i agree. just not sure how to do that. Once I find out how do I need to recalibrate it with that new white point?
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-27-2017, 03:42 PM
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updates
viewsonic finished calibrating with the displaycal software. Started running some test. Anything view in preview by mac has clipped blacks and bad contrast. Which is consistent with the link posted on the last message.
I opened up the same image both in chrome (which I think is colour managed) and the same jpeg looked, to me, pretty darn close. Or acceptably close. i tried a few others and from jpegs views in chrome side by side with the browser I would say it will work for me.
I then followed by opening lightroom and have the same image displayed on both and they looked again very similar and played with some edits and results looked close enough. The onyl differences I see is a bit more colour from the view sonic (should be expected as the macbook is only 56% sRGB) and the greens on the macbook are a bit more intense than the viewsonice, but as said before when i ran displaycal, the Blue and Red where under the suggested mark and the green was way over. So i think the slight green increase on the mac is related to that. if I could some how lower the green and re calibrate I think it would be even closer.
Only thing I did notice after running a check test on Displaycal is the viewsonic seems to be running at 7500k (not sure how to lower that) and the mac appears to be running at 6500.
I do notice when I am looking at the forum page for instance the macbook does appear more yellow than the view sonic which seems much more blue. But does seem to affect the images I was comparing before.
advice for maybe how to adjust the macbook so I can recalibrate?
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preview, its macs default image viewer.
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-27-2017, 03:08 PM
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i am leaning towards a software issue and not so much a calibration issue. I used Display call to calibrate the macbook, the app is currently calibrating the viewsonic monitor as we speak. The software seems much more thought out. Only thing is at the begining is asks you to adjust the greens,blues and red to match the middle of the slider. only problem is macs dont let you do it. i was able to adjust individual colours on the view sonic until they lined up in the middle as the software wants and then it gave me a green message saying it was in the right position.
But as for the software issue, I often use spacebar to preview photos from the folder, quick way to view photos. and I open one photo I knew has been very different on the monitors and its look more like it should have. Saturation seemed back and shadows darker. I then opened the file up to view it in preview and for a split second I saw the old image (un saturated lack of contast) and in a blink of an eye it was replaced by a much much contraty image (to be honest over contrast, blacks very rough looking) almost the opposite to what I have been dealing with. some images are alright and better than before and some the contrast when viewed fully open seem over contrast, but when i just use space bar to quick view the contrast seems fine.
According to some mac forums people have been having trouble with mac apps not running well with custom ICC profiles made by calibrators.
Bug? macOS Sierra Preview/Quick Look issues with rendering colors of images when using any icc profile other than the macOS standard - Ask Different
also interesting side note. When Display call finishes a calibration it tells your your screens color gamut. Macbook air apparently has 57% sRGB while my viewsonic matched exactly with the box at 87% Abode RGB
May be after all a mac glitch and not even a calibration issue, which raises a another issue, even with a calibration device, you may not actually be calibrated right if the software can do the job.
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-27-2017, 11:28 AM
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I found that in lightroom the same photos looks different. and exported to Jpeg and view in mac preview show a difference even in the jpeg files
thanks for the infor will research now this site.
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-26-2017, 02:09 PM
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I have checked the export and it's color space is set to sRGB. I have re-calibrated with lower brightness, increased brightness and similar results. I thought viewing the image on my macbook with decreased saturation could be the result of increased bright next so I lower my mac brightness but it didn't change the look or saturation on the image. If I open both jpeg with sRGB color space exported from lightroom on the two monitors, one is less contrast and less saturation and the other looks like a match to the same screen that image was edited on.
I have look through my monitor but it doesnt appear I can select a white point. I can manually select 2.2 for gamma which is default and I can select color between native and srgb but the only difference seems to be brightness. When I run my spyder5 express software it doesnt allow me to slect anything. it just auto calibrates. on the last calibration on the external monitor I set contrast to 50% and brightness to 50% to try and be neutral. I have no idea out of a 100 where each should be when I calibrate. and on my mac its the usual brightness meter. so I set it to 75% and calibrated.
I did also look at the website you sent me but its beyond me. Just looks scientific. I understand my images may look different elsewhere in the world. and I understadn my wide gamut display can display more color than the macbook. I just want my exports to look similar. or similar enough that when I am on the road I can still use my mac to edit and when I am home I can use the external monitor to edit without having crazy differences between the two.
some have suggested it is because my calibration system isnt equipemed to match screens or the spyder5 pro and colormunki have a feature to match screen?
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-26-2017, 09:30 AM
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So I have had more of an opportunity to play around with the new screen.
I used it to make some new edits and to run some new edits on older pics I had. I think the screen looks amazing, colours are nice, contrast is nice. better than working on my small mac screen.
However my new edits and saved as jpegs look off now when I view them on the mac. where I think the image looks good on the new screen is obviously less contrasty, less saturated and shadows seem brighter.
i understand that photos will look better on the new monitor, higher 2k versus 720p, wide gamut versus mac srdg profiles. So I get that it will always look better on the better screen. But i am a bit more concerned that my work will look not as nice across the average web for people viewing with inferior monitors. If most people are viewing on laptops I have a feeling they will all look under saturated and over exposed and with low contrast
I even let my eyes adjust. Went and did a food shop, came back and look at the same images on the mac without having looked at them on the external monitor and I still feel the same way.
I understand colour management is a big topic and very in depth. so how does someone manage their edits and images so they look good across most platforms.
If I edit on the new monitor and them upload to a website where most people wont be seeing it on a wide gamut new monitor, my work would not look as good. How do you manage that?
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-23-2017, 01:27 AM
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ya I run lightroom on my mac and when I edit I just drag the program over to the second screen and edit from there.
Does make sense that the adobe rgb in lightroom on a wide gamut would look difference than my mac. If lets say I am editing a file on the external monitor and I drag the porgram back to the macbook the colours, blacks, and hues change. I suppose that would make sense given the lack of gamut.
I did look at images later on, after my eyes had adjusted and when viewing the photos on the mac without the external monitor to compare, I did notice an increase in saturation and similar colours to what I was viewing before. I think not comparing the two will be a must when editing and second allow my eyes to adjust before I switch monitors.
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-22-2017, 03:57 PM
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ya I was comparing images in lightroom.
I find when I view images, previously saved jpeg on the new monitors they looks great and the colours and everything looks great. In lightroom when I am working on new edits the colours and saturationg do seem a it more and certain colours look slightly different compared to the mac. On lightroom you have the two screen option. So if I am editing on the new wide gamut screen and i display the same image on the imac there is quite a difference. greens are different and saturation is different, slight change in tone as well.
I thought once monitors were calibrated they would display the same.
i just read on datacolors website about why monitors side by side dont look the same, and they say it is normal because our brain perceives colours different is the brightness or luminance of a monitor is different. Say the only true test is to not compare them side by side but to allow your eyes to adjust to a monitor and to the view the image once you have adjusted your eyes. If comparing side by side your brain will naturally create a difference.
My thinking is edit on the new screen, that is calibrated and only look at the new screen, save a few edits and later on view them on the mac once my eyes have adjusted and dont have the comparison and see if I am seeing the same difference or edit off the new screen, send for prints and compare the prints to the monitor.
so far I am pretty happy with over all image quality. Going from an 11 inch macbook air screen to a 32 inch wide gamut 2k monitor is quite the change
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-22-2017, 11:44 AM
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do you also need to let the monitor warmup before editing?
although my mac and screen now look more similar. The external monitor still seems bit more saturated versus the mac screen and some colours look more pungent. Like green seems to me more green on the external monitor.
I am not sure if it maters until I get prints back to see how it is.
I think I just figured out of the box the monitor calibrated with the spyder5 express would just look as it looks compared to my mac.
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-21-2017, 02:02 PM
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Spyder 5 Express
I may have got it sorted. I lowered the brightness, set it to native colour and lowered the brightness and recalibrated. Did the same with my macbook lowering the brightness and recalibrating and it appears to be fine. Both appear to look similar with maybe just a little more saturation on the newer larger screen.
Either way seeing old pics at 2k on 32inchs looks amazing and colour rendition seems nice.
Next step will be to run some prints from edits on the monitor to compare.
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Forum: Digital Processing, Software, and Printing
11-21-2017, 07:30 AM
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Hi guys.
I just got a new viewsonic 32 inch monitor with super wide gamut. 87% Adobe rgb.
Out of box it looked good and similar to my macbook air.
My mac is calibrated with a spyder express and prints usually come back pretty accurate except a few where darks seem way off. But for the most park the calibrated macbook air and work flow to print have yielded satisfactory results.
The new monitor with the default settings looks good. I decided to calibrate it anyways because I want accurate colours and the profile it made is very very saturated and much darker darks compared to the default profile and very different to my mac.
Since the new monitor has much higher levels of colour reproduction I want to trust it more than my macbook screen but the difference is quite big.
Have I calibrated it fine and that is to be expected with a new monitor like this? Should I edit new photos on the new screen and send to print to find out if it's good or not.
And when I calibrate it, should I have the mode set to srdg mode and srgb colour profile with reduced brightness for the calibration. Or should I calibrate it off the standard default settings with max brightness (out of box basically)
Should I be worried there's a big difference between the mac and monitor or do I just need my eyes to adjust. And to trust the new calibrated monitor?
Thank you
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