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Forum: General Talk 06-06-2011, 12:43 PM  
The Anti-Facebook Crowd...
Posted By Ratmagiclady
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Sure. It's just that people may negotiate this in different ways, is all: some of them, indeed, by not being on FB at all. (Freakin thing cokes up my browser on an hourly basis as it is, anyway)

I do think it would be good for PF to not *require* it: Some people love it, some people hate it, and some people are a little nervous about it, and why put PF in the place of pushing it. It probably won't even *affect* people who aren't here yet. Whereas, those of us who are here, pretty much aren't going anywhere.

I'd suggest not making it a requirement. Anyone who may find us through FB probably only needs a little 'Come here, come *this* way.* And there's nothing wrong with *that,* I suppose, they can choose their ways too, everyone happy, all that. (And, again, I'm totally fine, either way. I don't need an incentive to be here. :))
Forum: General Talk 06-06-2011, 12:14 PM  
The Anti-Facebook Crowd...
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 153
Views: 17,703
Yeah, certainly isn't: but if *no* one does, doesn't that preserve the illusion that most people are supposed to be or act all 'squeaky-clean' and uniform in the *first* place? Maybe that's part of *why* we all get treated as cogs in a machine, expected to take all the burdens of not being 'perfect' while those who play that game the *best* end up sitting in boardrooms, running the world...Badly... cause they don't have an idea in their *heads.*

Definitely the dumbest thing I ever saw in the corporate world: they exclude or file off everything and everyone that doesn't fit in a succession of ever-smaller-boxes and then, end up with a room full of stuffed-shirts, who they gotta hire someone to tell 'Try thinking outside the box,' :)

I mean, I know the score, but in some ways, a lot of this is just trying to adapt and preserve the mediocrity problem for a really intrusive 'information age.' ...and that's what worried me about playing *into* that, too much: cause people *aren't* mediocre, mostly: Brilliant. Tragic, in pain, full of joy and revelry, They hurt, play, f--- around, commit shining acts of heroism and simple gentleness, they're colossally-stupid, occasionally-nasty, and *freakin' inspired.*

We're not mediocre creatures. We're beautiful. All of us. We aspire, we fail, we try again, *we strive,* and *we are not made for boxes like some illusion of conformity.* And I don't think the 'wired' corporate world wants to deal with that. They want *boxes.* But what if that's not *true?* Never mind our *best.*


I've gotten a lot more cautious in my 'old age,' if not just *cowed,* (Grr.) And I know it's different when other people are involved, especially when you aren't like freaking Bat-girl anymore. There was a time when I figured *someone* had to fly the freak-fag. My sweetie's actually bolder than I am about it, (Which gives me no end of stress, let me tell you,) but I know *exactly* how few people I can take on and expect to go home that night.

And that's OK, you know, but it's also stupid and awful, and if the people writing paychecks would rather make everyone go through dances like they're Ward and June Cleaver, rather than see and be what they've really got, then, well, that's just *stupid.*

There's an opportunity here that people are just missing. There may be need for some illusions, but the ones that really *hurt* us *actually* involve some notions that 'other people' are supposed to be 'happily motoring along' in some conformity which *is not even* what people actually live. Maybe it can't and shouldn't be *everyone,* but someone's got to be honest.



Ever see that old movie 'Pump Up The Volume?' ....It was about pirate radio, but it's the same sort of thing. People in general, just shouldn't have to *hide* anymore. We're so busy *hiding* we don't even really *express* ourselves in ways that *were* done through stupid-seeming dances like fashion and etiquette and propriety, but we *do* get a double-dose of the inhibition, now. and I think that's why there's some acrimony about FB and why even, accordingly, people are just resenting *cameras.* And it's not about the big ones they can see, it's about the ones they know they can't. And the big ones are just the ones they can *see* and that's why the glares. It's not really *about* that, though. I'm halfway to shooting Graflex to get the shots I want, here. (Past time to put a hood on this Yashicamat, at least.) People *know* their boundaries are pretty violated, what they *don't* get is. A sense it's not really a surveillance machine. Judging them on every little thing.
Forum: General Talk 06-06-2011, 10:42 AM  
The Anti-Facebook Crowd...
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 153
Views: 17,703
Sure enough: I don't see a huge problem with unpacking a bit of the current of 'FB resistance' out there: I doubt PF had anything more in mind than 'Hey, we're going for a Facebook presence, let's promote it,' ...You know, it's not like I'm going to shrivel up and die without a chance at a free pancake lens or anything, ...nor is it even that big a deal about actually signing on to the contest for me, (Actually haven't decided: for a 21, maybe it'd be clearer: this one may just be something others'll get more out of, anyway. :) ) It's not like I'm all cheesed off at Adam or anything. :)

If I'm in any kind of shooting form, I'll participate in the World Pentax day, anyway, though. S'ok. :)
Forum: General Talk 06-06-2011, 10:26 AM  
The Anti-Facebook Crowd...
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 153
Views: 17,703
Well, I think it has its place, it's just becoming another example of corporate over-reaching, and it's becoming quite intrusive in many ways, among other services. The 'targeted ads' really annoy me, too, lately: I'm like the next thing to anorexic, and I talk about cooking a fair bit, so what do I see? Lots of pretty uglified photos meant to advertise weight loss products. Gods know what kind of effect *that* might have on some kid with the actual body-image issues about it. Hec, you connect with people of non-traditional religion, you think every Evangelical dating service on the planet rented half your screen space when you weren't looking. :)


They'll be reading your keystrokes and selling em to whoever-in-the-world, you know? I think that does have a chilling effect, and maybe not all at once, but it's why some come to resent the FB thing. By degrees. People tend to ignore it, cause it's never any big deal at any one time, but who's not thinking, 'OK, what's going on with this?' Especially when FB starts changing the privacy rules over and over again.

And now you've got like a whole industry of people you can hire to 'sanitize' your FB history somehow, to seem more acceptable to the prying employers and everyone: what happens to 'free speech,' then? People censor *themselves,* instead of maybe taking this opportunity to really see we're a lot more human than some say we're 'supposed' to be. It's people paying money to perpetuate some illusion that no one worthwhile parties in college. If they're rich enough to cover it up, you know? :)
Forum: General Talk 06-06-2011, 09:45 AM  
The Anti-Facebook Crowd...
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 153
Views: 17,703
I dunno, here, there isn't *absolute* security on the Net, whatever you do, but that doesn't mean you may as well end up advertising to the whole world (Or being advertised to *by* it, either.) (I follow this forum, anyway, so I don't really *need* the updates over FB, to begin with. ) I don't really like the idea of too much of this information on everyone in one place as it is: who knows, maybe it's the way of the world now, but if you'd ever been stalked or threatened, it doesn't mean you're worried about any kind of elite hackers, there: it's just a matter of trying to find a balance. (Especially if you've got a big mouth, ;) )
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