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Forum: General Talk 09-10-2009, 10:31 AM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
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Sorry about the length there.

Definitely get tired of this throwing around of 'You're like Stalin!'

a) No.

b) What would happen if we all agree: "OK. No one here is Stalin. What are we wanting to do, now?"



And, btw, Graphic: this from your signature: "Hope, an excuse for doing nothing."

Nothing could be further from the truth. A lot of people who seem to believe they own the *copyright* on Hope will claim that the only 'hope' is maybe when things get immobilizingly-bad enough, to believe there'll be some external rescue or ultimate dominion. I do not hold to that.

*Lack* of hope is what prevents us from seeing that the *parts* out of which we can make something really cool are all around us. *Hope,* in fact, is what connects any two given things we might have cast away or have taken for granted. It's an *act* of Hope to put em together.
Forum: General Talk 09-10-2009, 10:24 AM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
Ah, LEDs. That's a really great application, (It seems my suggestion was a tad behind the times. It's been some time since I was looking at any such thing. :) )

As responsibility goes, yeah, I think that's really the problem, at times. People tend to feel entitled to, well, a tremendous lot of 'convenience,' even if it means working a lot longer and spending a lot more resources on the privilege of wasting.

A lot of people seem to feel like so much as recycling is something someone's doing to put them out: meanwhile all along private industry has been for decades doing everything it can to have no standards on wasteful packaging that we all have to deal with one way or another, whether it's in paying for its transportation, storage, and display, or just getting the darn things open... People even throw trash around down here like it's some kind of act of defiance against... what, I dunno, it's like standing there 'defiantly' peeing on yourself.

Folks don't want to 'lower' themselves to take public transport or a train, so they extend their working day by hours sitting in traffic in off-road machines they only have to work more hours to fuel and pay for.

No wonder they don't feel like they have the energy to sort their trash. Maybe blaming the liberals or even insisting God wants them to exhaust the Earth and it's a liberal conspiracy to control them to ask people to be more responsible.

There's no one solution to all the problems we've got going forward to the future. (And a lot of helpful things have been opposed by people who benefit from the ever-worsening status quo on the very basis this or that wasn't the one magic bullet) There's so many people in the country and the world that the 'smaller' stuff adds up, though. To more than most people really seem to understand.

A problem in this country is how much of even the possibility of getting together and working on solutions is shut down, shouted down, or ignored by a tendency to absolutist, all or nothing, black or white, for-me-or-against-me thinking:

'If it's not a particular kind of political Christianity, it must be Stalin.'

'If I'm not absolutely right, I must be absolutely wrong. That's an unacceptable thought, so I must be absolutely right.'

(Appropriately enough, that 'In God We Trust' is kind of like when they stuck 'Under God' into the Pledge of Allegiance during the Red Scare: 'In God We Trust *not* the national motto claiming 'America was founded as a Christian Nation from the founding: the national motto is "E Pluribus Unum" "From many, one." It means we're a pluralist nation. We have separation of church and state for a good reason: versions of state Christianity had long been *tearing apart* the Europe Colonial America had left. There was no revising history *about* it, it was still going on. If we'd had to struggle through the Enlightenment in the same way Europe did (having had a fresh start, we kind of got a lot of the benefit 'easily' ) we might have the same attitudes toward religion that Europe's developed.

Over here, I think what we've built has one really big drawback: not much of our pretty-cool way of life was ever actually planned or organized: how could it be. We've had a new revolutionary technology probably about every decade for a few generations now: as a result we have a lot of astounding capability: we command colossal and not-too-long-ago unimaginable energies... Mostly to go around in circles.

Who could plan for it? When they opened up the Web, were they thinking, 'You know, there's been a gigantic drag-out argument simmering in America since at least Reconstruction, it's gonna polarize the heck out of everyone based on increasingly-radicalized opinions?'

We're overstimulated, overtoxified, underexercised, and basically, whether we think 'freedom' is calling it 'rugged individualism' to amass wealth and go to a church that tells you you want 'small government' that'll 'legislate morality' (only about how others don't obey their version of their religion, not of course, about anything to do with the general welfare or what we leave the future. )

...Or if we think 'freedom' is getting off that treadmill as much as possible.

Personally, I've been both pretty darn well-off by world standards, and I've had basically nothing but the clothes on my back. There's a lot of freedom when you've got nothing, but you find your capabilities to do anything with it pretty limited. You can have a lot of capabilities if you're well off, but not much freedom to do anything with em. Cause you have to do this and that and this and that just to keep it. No one seems to say 'No, We can't,' more than the ultra-rich executives.

We have this *unbelievable* global communications network we're talking on right now, and mostly use it engaging in absolutist hyperbole. People in this country seem to think the only way to *talk* is to push for one absolute or another and treat everything like a game of Australian football. However, in this we do have a tool we can use to get together, start talking about what we want out of life.

Some of these things are really freebies: CF bulbs. Great example, really. All we need to do is be ready to scale up the disposal of them. Not stand around and complain about conditions which don't exist to say they're 'bad.' Yes, there's some mercury in em, but it's mercury that gives benefits that greatly outweigh the risks and the alternatives. As opposed, again, to just deregulating industry to dump mercury directly into the water in the name of the people theoretically being more financially able to waste more electricity.

If every conservative who wanted to say 'Take that, Stalin!' and throw their CF bulb into a lake did *that* instead of allowing industry to poison us directly with the stuff, that'd be a *bargain* for our mercury exposure. Call it *freedom.* You can expose yourself to as much or as little mercury as you want, that way.

Stalin was a paranoid, anti-intellectual, utterly un-compassionate ...land-raper and cultural imperialist (Ask any Siberian peoples about that) If you want to be afraid of his ghost, it's those qualities to watch out for.
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 02:35 PM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
Sounds more like 'Pigs, Lipstick,' to me. :)

This, by the way, is one of those things that make Yankees like me come to the South and just shake our heads. Seems there's a certain culture down here that seems to say, 'It's worth it to spend a lot of my life justifying the slipshod, and making it too much of a PITA to argue with me about it, rather than just learning to do the thing properly in the first place.'

It's. A. Light. Bulb. Yeah, you might have to go a couple steps out of your way to the service counter at Lowe's to dispose of one some time. It's not Big Brother. It's a light bulb.
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 01:45 PM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
No one's "forcing" you. Certainly not me. Certainly, if you think wasting your money on electricity cause you want to say only incandescent bulbs are the 'universal and convenient solution,' well, that remains your business.

If you want to smash CF bulbs cause you think someone's 'forcing' you to spend some 'twelve dollar fee' to otherwise dispose of the thing, (cause you'd rather not bother to look and find out otherwise) ...so you can go, 'Ha, take that, librul environmentalist Commies! Take *that! Big Brother!'

Well, I'm not seeing myself as the one with issues.

CF bulbs are good. For a lot of things.

No, don't use the wrong one for the wrong job.

You can deal with this.

If you have the brainpower to construct these crazy arguments, you have the brainpower to cope with a light bulb.
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 01:20 PM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
Yaknow, start with the man in the mirror or something.

And stop complaining when you don't wanna fund the EPA but think you're getting something out of wasting your own electric bill.
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 01:13 PM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
You could start by not falsely claiming there's a 12 dollar fee so they don't see the bin at the store they bought the thing from. Yes, a little bit more in the way of convenient disposal is in order, but you're talking in massive hyperbole, here.

I mean, if we could get twelve dollars every time corporations dumped the equivalent amount of mercury directly into the lakes and watersheds, we could fly all our broken CF bulbs business class if we wanted. :)
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 01:05 PM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
No, they don't. The same participating retail stores you keep driving to to replace the incandescents that keep blowing can generally take them. Or. You can have a box at the recycling center. Weren't we talking about 'due diligence' on another thread? At least *this* mercury you get tangible and real benefits from, as opposed to what deregulated industry wants to dump.

Besides, where'd 'Free Enterprise' go, all of a sudden, just cause it's something ecological?

Yes, there's mercury in there. It's not the mercury you should be most worried about. And if you can *really* get someone to pay twelve dollars to mail away a light bulb after they saved money on it for five years, hey, I'll drive it to Home Depot for six. Noooo problem. :)
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 12:30 PM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
Hey, by the way, for under your car and stuff like that you *can* get these sort of long-tube conventional-(looking) flourescents, they fit in just about anywhere, don't get hot, are pretty nicely-sealed, and also don't throw as many troublesome shadows.


The simple fact is, a *huge* amount of our energy/pollution/climate change problem has to do with the fact of *simple household energy waste.* It's not helping anyone, it's not improving the quality of life, it's just *waste.*
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 12:26 PM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
Yah, who's afraid of the big bad light bulb? :)
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 12:02 PM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
It's not 'Big Brother' if you couldn't... or shouldn't... waste energy all over the house for some idea it's more 'convenient' to treat every bulb in the house like it's got to be a drop-light. (Though, honestly, I wish they *would* make a CF drop-light bulb to take that kind of duty: maybe someone has already. I have a lot of hair and it doesn't smell too nice when singed. :) )


This should be pretty simple. If you wanna waste a lot of energy cause you like throwing out broken incandescent bulbs all the time, don't come crying to me when there's power shortages to run *anything.*
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 11:16 AM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
To my understanding the 'Protestant work ethic' isn't about anything religious in particular. Just a certain cultural dynamic.

As for 'chips on shoulder,' well, you're the one going out of your way to get freaked out about the 'inconvenience' of a more-efficient light bulb.

Pretty thin excuse for *you* to be a 'hater' about things, I should say.

No, though, they don't shatter, wear out, or need disposing of anywhere near as frequently as conventional bulbs. If they're more likely to get struck than wear out after several years, that's a good case for just protecting one. (You can even get em with the tubes inside plastic housings if you're worried about that.)

Frankly, your 'can't do attitude' is irksome.
Forum: General Talk 09-09-2009, 10:55 AM  
Ever break a CFL?
Posted By Ratmagiclady
Replies: 44
Views: 4,657
So, how much sulfur and mercury from powerplants would you like to be *guaranteed* to inhale to power all those incandescent bulbs, in order to avoid having to ...What... Take a little care not to bash a CF bulb? (They're nowhere near as fragile as conventional ones. And older flourescent bulbs were also as bad for you if they broke, people just used to bash em up and throw them in the trash anyway, till something was done about that)

Been using em almost since they came out. Haven't broken or even exhausted one, yet. Actually, they tend to come with us when we move.

Why is it that it's always the people so big on the 'Protestant work ethic' and 'personal responsibility' who develop terminal laziness when it comes to putting something in a recycling bin or... Taking care of their stuff.

Meanwhile supporting guys who say it's OK to just dump more mercury directly into the fisheries.

Sheesh.

If people start saving on the wasted energy and stuff, the country won't be *forced* to take extreme measures to ban my enlarger bulb, (if there's still enough profit for someone to make one anymore anyway) and then there'll be no reason to make a policy of it.

Yes, they have a little mercury in them. I had the impression you were in the habit of handling precision optics now and again. You should be able to *deal with it.* You get a lot in return. You *might* even get to think about something else than how to blame environmentalists for the effects of looking for excuses to screw up the environment.
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