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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 12:33 PM
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LOL, I am playing provocative? Right....
I'm outta here. Someone else, feel free to answer his question.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 12:28 PM
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This small piece of text is worth more than ALL of the images you posted.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 12:20 PM
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Honestly, I think biz-engineer is just frustrated or something and needs to get it out of his system. Well, good luck with it, showing lots of scaled down images that prove nothing.
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No, I wrote, that if you click on the DPR images in the AF test page, then they open up full-res in your browser. Even then, if they are scaled down to your browser window, almost all of them look sharp. That's what I said. Therefore, it's no use for him to post EVEN SMALLER images here. He's not making a point. Well, maybe to you, but certainly not to me.
Also, he responded to me in the middle of it, yet he keeps going on. But he's got the advantage that his posts cover so much space. Mine are just text. I feel like I have to shout to make a point. And it's an unpopular point at that.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 12:10 PM
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I posted this because he kept on posting scaled-down sequences, even after I posted "have you read what I wrote". If he posts nonsense, I felt I could do the same thing.
But apparently he removed his post, so now I look silly.
You can see that there was a post in between those posts of me. If there wasn't, the forum software would have combined the posts.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 11:59 AM
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 11:57 AM
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Errr... have you even read what I wrote here?
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 11:53 AM
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Errr.. yeah, this cyclist is moving away from the camera, not towards it. I had the same experience: towards the camera is more problematic than away from it.
Also, at this resolution, focus errors could be obscured very easily. If you click on the DPR AF-C shots they open up in your browser. If you don't view them at 100%, though, they also look sharp. But they aren't.
edit: the same with your other series: scaled down results don't count.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 11:50 AM
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 11:31 AM
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Can I just point you guys to something? It's a DPR forum comment by the hated guy known as Rishi. Among other things, he says this:
 Quote: Nowhere did we explicitly say the K-1 can't shoot action or anything moving. People shoot action with manual focus. That'd be a ludicrous thing to say. We repeatedly say the K-1's performance is not up to expectations set by many contemporaries. I can't help you if you choose to interpret something we wrote in a wildly different manner from which it was meant to be interpreted. Kind of like how X people didn't read our AF page and assumed we were saying the camera can't AF-S when we stated that single-point AF had a < 50% hit rate in our focus tests... when we were clearly referring to our actual focus tests, all of which were in AF-C, as detailed in our AF page. If people are jumping to conclusions and there is no scrutiny around here, what good is this topic to me, or to anyone else for that matter?
I rest my case regarding the earlier post I made about hearing their side of the story.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 07:09 AM
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I actually have with my K-3. I don't think things are always that equal, even though they may appear to be.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 06:44 AM
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I'm sorry, but I'm going to risk coming up with an unpopular answer again: until I hear their word, I'm still not drawing any conclusions personally.
But, reading what you write does make me wonder about things. If you really tried to recreate the situation as best you could, got those results, uploaded them and the next thing is that you got banned... that does make me wonder.
For now, though, I'm going to let those thoughts go because I got other things I have to focus ;) on. But I'm sorry you got banned.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 06:31 AM
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You may get a sequence where 85 or even 100% of the shots is in focus. I'm not saying that's impossible. I've also seen topics in DPR forums where users posted their own sequences with a higher percentage in focus than the DPR test shows. Unfortunately, the test conditions were also quite different, e.g. a greater distance, less distracting backgrounds etc. So, my conclusion is that those sequences still don't prove that DPR deliberately made the K-1's focusing look worse than it is.
So my question would be: have you asked them about the speed of the cyclist, the distance from the camera, and maybe other relevant things? Have you tried to recreate that test as closely as possible? If so, you may have a point. If not, the K-1 might still be perfectly adequate for the situations you encounter, but it doesn't prove that their test was carried out in a way to make the camera look bad.
Again, look at the 80D review. That also had a significant percentage of out-of-focus images.
As far as AF-S is concerned, I raised eyebrows too when I read about the 50% out-of-focus rate. Haven't really looked into that though. I don't really need to either, because I'm happy with my K-3's AF-S performance. If you have a gripe with that, I could understand it better. But I thought this topic was about the AF-C test?
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 06:20 AM
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Funny that you should mention a court. In a court, both sides get to speak. Here, we only had one side so far.
I'm not accusing you of anything. It's just that, you might see some things differently from them (or from me).
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 06:07 AM
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I could ask you a similar question. Having already bought a K-1 anyway, you probably don't need any buying advice right now. So why the interest in the DPR review?
If you read through the comments section, they say they've repeated the test quite often in various conditions with various settings, and all provided similar results. Based on some comments, they updated the review to show a sequence where the center AF point was kept on the head of the cyclist, again with similar results. You could go on and on and, putting salt on every snail, but my conclusion so far is that I have nothing to really contradict their findings. From my own experience with the K-3 and DA* 60-250, tracking is less than stellar, often falling behind. And if you read through the Canon EOS 80D review, that camera also struggled (although not as badly as the K-1) with the cyclist test. I think it's no secret that Canon/Nikon tracking of, say, 80D/D7200 cameras and upwards is generally better than Pentax's.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 05:16 AM
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That's good.
I never understand quotes like these. You develop skills to work with your equipment to get the results you want. Some people have argued that technique can make up for the less-than-stellar (can we agree on that?) continuous AF of Pentax camera's. In that case, their skills could be better than the average Canon/Nikon sports shooter. Yet they may not get the same results.
Besides, DPR's job is to review cameras, not people and their skills.
Any test is as important as you make it out to be. You decide on that. Just be sure you decide in favor of you, and not in favor of a camera brand. Whether it be Pentax, Canon or Nikon.
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I don't know if you'll see this since you may still be ignoring me, but have you noticed the EOS 750D getting a 75% score and no award at all? The 760D got 77% and only a silver award. 80D? Again a silver award.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 05:06 AM
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I will most likely never buy the K-1, so I'm not going to waste my time with that. I have the K-3 and sometimes have difficulty keeping correct focus on a moving subject.
Again, that's your conclusion, not mine.
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Forum: Pentax K-1 & K-1 II
07-08-2016, 04:32 AM
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The correct answer is: I don't know and I don't care until I've heard their side of the story too so that I can form my own opinion about it.
There was one person in the comments saying this:
To which Rishi responded:
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