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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 04-08-2010, 11:57 AM  
Pentax K7 3rd party battery grip
Posted By Timichango
Replies: 242
Views: 86,316
Mister Guy pretty much hit the nail on the head.

In addition, while I don't debate the fact that the Deal Extreme grip is probably a direct knock-off of the Pentax Grip (it certainly looks exactly like it, cosmetically), in a fundamental sense it's got some pretty big differences.

Deal Extreme grip: Cheap grip, not weather-sealed, questionable reliability & longevity, and inconvenient or non-existant warranty support, very little or zero re-sale value, and the alienation of any recourse whatsoever if the grip frys your camera somehow.

Pentax Grip: Expensive grip, weather sealed, (presumably) good reliability & longevity, network of warranty support, decent re-sale value, broad availability, and if it kills your camera you can probably legitimately yell at someone.

While the grips seem quite similar in construction and cosmetics, those descriptions illustrate that they're fundamentally different products. Who's to say that there isn't/shouldn't be a market for both? If the market wants cheap products of dubious quality, then, frankly, that's what the market should get, according to standard free-market ideology.

The issue of the costs associated with the design & engineering for the official grip has been raised a few times; frankly, I just don't buy it... this product is an iteration on previous products, and even if you envision a 4-month long project with 3 people working full-time (an industrial designer, an electrical engineer, and a project manager), each making $100,000/year, the supposed design costs are still about $100,000. In the grand scheme of product development, this is astronomically low: Pentax would only need to sell 300-400 grips to pay off the design process. On top of this, I'm hugely skeptical that more than a few weeks went into the grip - as I said, it's a straightforward product, with functional precedent in previous products, and ergonomic precedent that stems from the camera itself; there's simply not that much to actually design given how derivative the product is. Some sketches, sculpts, 3-D models or rapid prototypes, and the product is designed, for all intents and purposes.

On the actual manufacturing side of things, we're talking about an injection-molded part with some cheap electronics and some rubber or silicone gaskets. While the tooling costs here are a bit high (mold making can be pricey), we're not talking large volume - so probably a 1 or 2 cavity mold for each piece of the grip at most, running on a small injection molding machine. The costs for Pentax to tool up for this fabrication would be the same as whoever was making the knockoff (if it's not the exact same facility), so it's not like Pentax is the only party investing capital here, while for the company producing the knockoff, it's all gravy.

Relative to the tooling costs, the design costs for this type of product are likely insignificant.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 04-07-2010, 06:14 PM  
Pentax K7 3rd party battery grip
Posted By Timichango
Replies: 242
Views: 86,316
At a certain point this becomes an ideological/political/whatever discussion about intellectual property and it's pros and cons; ultimately, everyone's got a different opinion about where intellectual property should begin and end, and that'll never get reconciled on a forum, of all places.

[begin rant]
For me personally, there's a huge gulf between legality and ethicality; I don't actually believe that they're concepts on the same spectrum. Ethics are personal, legality is the enforceable results of a lowest-common-denominator haggling system over behavioural constraint and privilege. Sometimes they coincide, but that's far from a universal phenomenon.

The simple truth is this: business 'A' will always try to outmaneuver business 'B' in some capacity. Legality determines what maneuvers are acceptable within the context of the operation of the businesses, and if one of the businesses breaks the rules, the other presumably has recourse through the legal system. If the rule-infringing business is not actionable through the legal system, then either more haggling ensues, or the infringing business increases it's market share. Ad Nauseam. Every individual is going to have differing opinions on which rules are ethical, and which are not, and business will always attempt to break whatever rules they can get away with, so long as financial profitability is the sole guiding principle that is used to evaluate success.

Personally, electronics companies screwing each other over via patent infringement isn't what keeps me up at night... I'm far more concerned about the crap that pharmaceutical, agricultrural, and energy companies pull to make a buck... that stuff actually affects important necessary-for-life stuff in some way. If buying a cheap battery grip that I'm only going to use casually saves me $175 bucks that I can give to a local environmental organization/spend at local organic food co-op/invest in my garden, then, to my mind, that's money better spent. But hey, that's just me—make your own choice :)

And for the record, I don't own a battery grip from any manufacture, but if I buy one, it ain't going to be the official one, unless it gets less expensive... it's just not worth the price for me personally.
[end rant]
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