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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
10-14-2014, 03:49 PM
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Hey, as long as you can give folks an idea of what the issues are... my step son is a serious gamer and builds his own computers, and we've never felt the need to have this discussion. He does what 's good for him, I do what's good for me, he likes my computer, I like his computer, there's absolutely no need to go down this road.
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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
10-14-2014, 02:30 PM
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Ya, you're a real gem, you think you know it all, and you insult other peoples choices. What a genius. I guess it just couldn't wander into you mindset, that a mac user could have made the best choice for him/herself. No Mr. Arrogant know what's right for everybody and is happy too tell them.
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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
10-14-2014, 09:56 AM
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Because their IT departments want to keep their jobs, and because they haven't done the research, they just listen to people like you.
Ya, you've made their case.
Oh by the way, my study, Dufferin Peel Catholic School Board, ran side by side labs for the Photography and Video and media programs for a year before they made their decision. Actually photography stuff. So you're right, they didn't run drafting software, and that's pretty much irrelevant to photographers. Where as my labs were dedicated to Photography and Video. I'm pretty sure my tests were more relevant to photography.
And by the way, our general labs remained PC based for the reason you state, ou dedicated photography and video labs became MAC based, for the reason I state.
As for your comments on MACs
You've been brainwashed by the PC cool aid, try having a mind of your own for a while.
And you're right, the decision comes to him not us, but your attack on MACs is hogwash and makes absolutely no attempt to be impartial.
I definitely know why people buy PCs, you haven't got a clue why people buy MACs. They buy PCs because they have to. They need software that doesn't run on MACs, much of it based on MACs lower market share and fewer developers writing software for them.
They buy MAC, because they can, and because it's a much more satisfying computing experience.
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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
10-14-2014, 09:18 AM
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Depend on your family or friends when something goes wrong to fix your PC? Ya, great strategy.
Do real homework? i.e.. Become a computer geek. I used to program machine code, no thanks been there done that, it's work.
And why are you asking me what you can do with Mac Pros? You're supposed to be the expert.
The problem with your whole dissertation is, my school board did actual research on the issue, and decided that MACs were cheaper to run. Now there were guys in the AV department arguing exactly the way you are, and in the end. They lost. The PC required 10 times the support the MACs did. Not exaggerating here, those were the numbers. I'm not exactly lacking in knowledge here. I built my own PCs for class room use. And then maintained them. I know the rigamarole inside and out.
My advice is, unless you are a computer geek, and actually enjoy working on your machines, or can't afford it, buy a MAC.
As for your un-affordablity, when I've was in the stores, I've seen companies walk in and buy 5 Mac Pros in one sitting and leave with fully configured workstations. Affordability is a relative term. I argued successfully from the numbers where I worked , that we couldn't afford PCs, using real hard numbers from real research, an won, based on the numbers. And as for the 10% market share, well you can buy market share, or you can buy customer satisfaction. When you go for the customer satisfaction thing, you aren't talking about computing power and specs... you're talking about "how good does this thing work."
But long story short, I probably have as much history in computing as you do, and I completely disagree with your analysis. And I would suggest recommending that our family or friends maintain your machines is completely unprofessional. But then, I worked and made these kinds of decision in a professional environment, where actual facts, not silly opinions ruled the day.
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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
10-14-2014, 07:47 AM
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That's pretty simple, because you have the computer skills to upgrade your machine yourself and don't count the time you spend with your machine as cost. The Apple strategy has always been, buy what you need and it will always do what you need. If you need something else, upgrade to a computer with that spec. doing patch work upgrades is not in the end as satisfying for the average customer.
You are not the average customer.
Which explains why Apple always has the highest customer satisfaction rating. They don't encourage that kind of behaviour. Based on the general population, encouraging people to do their own upgrades etc. is poor corporate policy, for the customer as well as for the Corporation. I know, I've fried a PC or two in my time.
There were always people who loved getting Heathkit equipment and assembling it themselves rather than buying their sound equipment off the shelf as well. However, it never became the best thing for most people to do.
I'm guessing you never bought a Mac Pro. Apple has always had a case you can open if you must play around in there and add hard drives and stuff.
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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
10-14-2014, 07:34 AM
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I always include the cost of Applecare in the cost of the machine. Last one, i got a refurb and used the savings to buy Applecare. At least for high end machines. I wouldn't bother for a mini. The 1 year warranty is good for the cheaper machines. Most Apples that are going to fail, fail in the first 6 months of operation.
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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
10-14-2014, 07:21 AM
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Well the reality is if you'r on a tight budget you're going to make compromises. But a lot of those are false savings. Sure they get you up and running, but you pay with your time, talking to tech support... etc. that's also the reality. You save money at the start, ou pay extra for the life of the machine. My school Board's estimate was it takes about 18 months to recover the cost difference in maintenance and repair, and teachers and support staff suffer much less aggravation. That's also reality.
I even know an executive in a large computer company who bought Mac's for his whole family, because he was so tired of being the support guy and having to keep everyone's Windows machines running.
As we used to say when I sold computers at a store that sold both... buy a Mac if you can afford it.
It's pay now, or pay later.
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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
09-06-2014, 09:23 PM
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Usually Mac users aren't planning to use windows systems, there's just no real advantage to doing that. At least with a Mac system, you can boot into Windows if you need to. Many Apple machines are more Windows compliant than their Windows counterparts. It just takes the guess work out of wondering what non-compliant hardware some crazy company has built into your Windows machine.
I use no software that doesn't run native on Macs, and I'm happier that way. It's been years since software I actually use didn't run native on Apple machines, without running windows, and there's still a lot of Windows software out there, that would never meet Apple's ease of use specs.
You're grossly over-estimaqting the need for Windows in the modern world.
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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion
09-06-2014, 06:29 AM
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My old (4 year old) 27 inch i7 iMac is chugging along so well, we aren't even thinking replacement. And that's the thing with MACs. people say they are more expensive, but this machine will be good a least 2 more years, probably a lot longer. If I take the purchase price of 2k and divide it by 8, I'm paying 250 a year for my computer. Compared to any of the 5 or 6 windows machines I owned, that's actually pretty cheap. For using a high end machine with a 27 inch monitor and an i7 processor, that's actually really cheap. And the iMac , in terms of overall experience is just nicer to use. None of my windows machine made it past 3 years. And this iMac hasn't been opened once. People talking about opening the case... that's Windows talk.
I have two 8 year old macs, a desktop and a lap top still chugging along. The laptop is the only laptop I own and I see no reason to buy a new one. The other one I use on occasion when guests turn up and want to check their email etc. Neither of these were high end, and I still had a windows machine when I bought the first one. The Windows machine is long gone. 6 years gone... cost of ownership on those old macs, about $100 a year for the years I've owned them.
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