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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
04-25-2012, 09:46 AM
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True the 25 is in existence due to the crop. They also endeavored to make it a FF lens (without success for the most part so they made it a crop design to get it out, though I'm not sure much of the design changed more the idea it is a good crop lens. given the widest from the others aren't even as wide as this lens (28 versus 25) but they are FF AFAIK it may have been better to target an asph 30 that was sharp edge to edge on FF looking to the future
My main point was however hat it is not priced unrealistically versus its comp set which is MF not 35MM. it's really only the introduction of the D800 that even makes it an issue though. An update that breaks ground as an affordable FF 645 (and therefore 60-80MP assumed) addresses the issue. Keeping the 645D around as a low cost (relative to the market) entry makes sense as long as they can get the sensors (so a few more years I bet)
MF was never a big market compared to 35MM. In digital it's even more marginalized because some of the 35MM is truly astounding. But there is a client subset.
You may think hassy/Mamiya/Phase don't sell much but i think they actually sell a fair bit within their subset of the market. As an example within a 20 minute walk of my house downtown Toronto I can get to 4 phase/mamiya dealers and 3 hassy ones and 2 Pentax MF ones and 1 Leica S2 dealer.
But we are a large market with a vibrant Advertising photo industry so maybe I get a warped view.
A agree they need to address the launch of a camera like the D800 but I think a Sensor upgrade is a more viable answer. the MF cameras will never compete with the versatility of the Niko canon Systems (or for that matter even the Sony and Pentax ones)
For me if I want to shoot MF look I will stick to MF film. I just can't justify the digital cost because i don't sell into the market that would pay for it.
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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
04-25-2012, 08:05 AM
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there is the 150 2.8 for portraits but it is a little long on the crop sensor (perfect for a FF sensor) so the real issue is are they going to stick cropped or move to a FF sensor. Right now all the sub $30000 stuff is cropped.FF starts at a high price 30 + just for a back. Thing is when Pentax launched the 645D they broke a lot of price barriers for the MP (even a 22 mp system was close to $20 grand at the time). If they can get the right sensor (and I believe the former Kodak now has a FF CCD now) they could impact the market the same at $15000 or so for an updated 645D (with faster processors and better memory card slots and a few other tweaks) and drop the 645D to an entry level of say $7500 and have a 2 body setup that maximizes lens value and sales. It wouldn't consume massive amounts of production time but could be very profitable if they can get the sensor at the right price (the original sensor cost around $3000 at release - less now I am sure- If they could source a FF alternative for $6000 I think a $15000 body is doable - and would really challenge the other 3)
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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
04-25-2012, 05:51 AM
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the 645D crop sensor has 68% more real estate than a FF sensor eurostar. It allows a larger pixel pitch with more mp than say the D800. Moving to a FF 645 sensor would increase that dramatically. a FF 645 sensor (56x41.5) is 2.69 x the size of a FF 35mm sensor (so like the difference between MFT and FF) Move to that sensor and there is fare less need for faster lenses than 2.8
For portraits shooting a 150 at 7 feet @ 2.8 a 645 will have about 2 inches in focus (so a head/ shoulders portrait)
on a FF 85 @ 1.4 @ 7 feet there will be the same DOF with a slightly wider FOV
Faster than 2.8 lenses in medium format are of little use for the most part because the DOF get's so thin it becomes unusable. for the crop sensor the 645D uses I would say a 2.0 would be usable (though it would be a monster lens if it was designed to sill a ff 645 sensor)
As for the complaints about the 25mm lens prices I've seen, it's wholly relative. 645 lenses are never cheap., first they have a much smaller market so costs are spread across fewer buyers, second there is a lot more high quality glass cost involved as they mus be larger to cover the 645 image circle
$5000 isn't out of line for the 25 if you ask me
the Hassy 28 f4.0 is 5300 and weighs close to 2 pounds (850grams)
the mamiya 28 f4.5 is also $5000 and weighs 886 grams
this wide a lens is relatively new to the MF world
Previously wider than 35 was rare (and usually a fisheye)
Looking at Medium format form the perspective of FF 35mm has never worked. In film days the same sort of disparity between systems existed.
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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
04-24-2012, 10:56 AM
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Man if people think the medium format market is so small they can't see a second generation 645D coming what would they make of the 4x5 cam market which is tiny indeed
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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
04-24-2012, 08:42 AM
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that is the challenge, but damn it would be a nice situation to be in. I can see the ads now Pentax the only Full line camera maker on the planet :D
Certainly Sensor supply has to be taken into account, and if it wasn't an issue likely we would have seen the kr replacement last fall, but it wouldn't have been representative of the direction Pentax is headed , just another Hoya leftover like the K-01, so it may well prove to have been fortuitous for Pentax. Releasing/Announcing 4 DSLR line that is representative of the direction the company wants to go makes a big statement. maybe add a Q2 update, and a rumoured price drop on the 645D. Jeez it's almost like they are a serious camera company again :D:D:D
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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
04-24-2012, 07:34 AM
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According to a Russian rep (info from the Russian camera show) there will be 4 bodies coming one will be entry, 1 above the Kr, a k5 replacement and another (hinted as FF, and several people have also had hints from their dealers)
I think the kr replacement was delayed for several reasons not the least of which I think was Ricoh wanting to really influence this years assortment and the october takeover didn't allow for timely replacement of the Kr
It looks to be an interesting year in any case
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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors
04-11-2012, 09:13 AM
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the same one that fixes the tungsten focus issue it will come with :D
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