Forum: General Talk
08-02-2012, 11:51 AM
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I don't know about Florida, but in a lot of places they could likely plead all of that down to 6 months probation.
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Forum: General Talk
07-28-2012, 04:57 PM
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Good thing the clerk didn't have a gun. He could have been hurt!
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Forum: General Talk
07-27-2012, 12:08 PM
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So was mine, though he never made it to Camp Perry.
He also shot small bore. One of the people in the club he belonged to was Gary Anderson; 1964 Olympic gold medalist. Another person from the club is another name you might remember from that era. Lones Wigger.
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Forum: General Talk
07-27-2012, 09:01 AM
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I load .45ACP, .45 Colt, .454 Casull. .357 Mag, .223, and .257 Roberts. In the past, when I had guns in calibers 10mm, .40SW, .44 Mag, .44 SPL, and .38 Super, I reloaded for those as well. Funny thing is, in forty years of reloading, I've never reloaded for 9mm.
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Forum: General Talk
07-26-2012, 12:24 PM
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Forum: General Talk
07-25-2012, 02:46 PM
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There are only two types of statistics. The unimpeachable ones that bolster a person's position, and the worthless, contrived ones that refute it.
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Forum: General Talk
07-25-2012, 07:59 AM
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So it's better to let the criminals make the decisions of life and death for the bystanders? :confused:
Are there any stats on how many who are clearly guilty don't even get prosecuted because the case isn't strong enough, or there aren't enough prosecutors, or jail cells, or.................?
The laws are based on the premise that if would-be evil doers have a real fear of getting killed that they may choose a different line of work.
Fear is the only thing that prevents people who have no respect for the law from committing crimes. As they generally, regardless of conviction rate, have no fear of the justice or penal systems, we need to take some sort of action, either as a society or as individuals, that they are afraid of.
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Forum: General Talk
07-25-2012, 07:28 AM
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Absolutely there was help from the NRA, as well as a general public outcry. Anti-gun groups have their support as well; Brady bunch Campaign, etc.
It comes down to philosophy. Our criminal justice system, at it's inception, was intended to inure to the greatest extent possible, that innocent people were not persecuted/prosecuted/convicted for things they had no part in. Over the years it became bastardized to the point of being there to insure criminals have every opportunity to get away with their crimes and (most) people got tired of it. Some even extend that philosophy to opposing people having the means to interfere with a criminals attempt to commit a crime. After all, they have to make a living somehow.
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Forum: General Talk
07-25-2012, 07:17 AM
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Better unemployed than dead.
That's one of the advantages of being self employed. The Ruger LC9 that lives in my pocket doesn't bother my boss one bit. :D
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Forum: General Talk
07-25-2012, 07:01 AM
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So are you saying that the proliferation of Shall Issue, SYG, and Castle Doctrine laws all happened on just a whim of state legislatures and the criminals' carrying of guns and shooting people with them is just a response to that?
Do you leave room for the possibility, however far fetched and remote, that just maybe it was the other way around? That could explain why we have been on a downward trend, crime wise, for several years.
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Forum: General Talk
07-23-2012, 02:23 PM
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I'll bet the ones in Miami do.
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Forum: General Talk
07-22-2012, 04:37 AM
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None. That's why it's extremely expensive and a many months long application process. With Federal fees and the cost of the weapon itself you're looking at well over $10,000.00 and about an 8-10 month wait.
Semi-automatic weapons have no different Federal restrictions than any other guns.
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Forum: General Talk
07-21-2012, 03:23 PM
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As long as we're quoting people here.....
"Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result." ~Winston Churchill. |
Forum: General Talk
07-21-2012, 05:45 AM
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We aren't big fans of Occam's Razor here in P&R. :D
Seriously, I too found that statement a bit strange coming from Gene............ at first.
As he is probably one of the most level-headed of any of us here, I figured there might be something I wasn't taking into account. After thinking about it I could see that it wasn't a total stretch to think it may not have been loaded. There aren't too many explanations as to why someone with a gun in his hand wasn't shooting back at someone who was shooting at him.
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Forum: General Talk
07-20-2012, 01:32 PM
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Generally, it's both. The patron is probably going to be liable for civil damages even if not prosecuted. If the patron kills someone accidentally, the robber could me convicted of (term varies in different jurisdiction) Felony Murder. If someone dies while a person is in the commission of a felony, even if it's death from a heart attack, in many jurisdictions the person committing the felony at the time could be convicted of murder.
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Forum: General Talk
07-20-2012, 10:08 AM
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Right. And if you wait to see if you're going to be hurt or killed, and it turns out you are, it's sorta too late. It's a bit like having an oncoming car swerve into your lane. Waiting to see if it will actually hit you or not before acting isn't a real good idea.
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Forum: General Talk
07-20-2012, 07:22 AM
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I've said it before; we need stricter bat control laws.
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Forum: General Talk
07-19-2012, 10:53 AM
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Forum: General Talk
07-19-2012, 04:50 AM
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The problem there Gene, is that in a situation like that, waiting to find out may cost you your life. Letting the other guy throw the first punch to make sure you're right might work out okay, letting him fire the first shot is a different story.
I am a little puzzled here by how strongly you are basing your case on what could have happened, or what might have happened. What did happen is that two punks went into an internet cafe to pillage, plunder, and possibly kill; and got their lunch eaten by an old man.
I think the media's celebration of it is wonderful. There's an old adage with regard to this type of incident that says: "Shoot one, teach a hundred." This might make some other punk think twice before going into a public place and shooting it up. Maybe that particular "might, could, potential" needs to be factored in as well. If this does prevent some future incident(s); granted, there is no way of knowing; but if it does then, in the words that the anti gun crowd just loves to use, if it saves just one innocent life, isn't it worth it.?
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Forum: General Talk
07-18-2012, 05:06 PM
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Okay, this is an issue In feel strongly about. The only reason I see for a private citizen to use deadly force is to counter an imminent threat to life or threat of grievous bodily harm. Unless the BG had eaten some serious chilli, shooting someone in the ass could be problematic with regard to that philosophy (and the law).
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Forum: General Talk
07-18-2012, 04:00 PM
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That's "yoot" :D The common term for that is murder. Is that what happened?
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Forum: General Talk
07-18-2012, 02:46 PM
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IF his cataracts were giving him trouble ........... IF someone got gets in his way................. IF his arm wasn't steady............. IF his celebrex wasn't working.................. IF a satellite crashed through the roof............... IF bigfoot walked by and bumped his arm...............
Sure, a lot of things could have gone wrong. They didn't.
There's also the possibility that he is aware of his abilities and limitations and felt confident that at that moment he was capable of acting safely and effectively. I'd say he was right.
Ever seen the statistics on how many rounds fired by police miss their intended target? In 1989, according to the then director of the FBI firearms training unit, the miss rate is about 80%.
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Forum: General Talk
07-18-2012, 02:27 PM
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O great! Some old goat shoots two poor, innocent, underprivileged teens for just trying to scrape together a few extra pennies. They probably needed the money so they could take the bus instead of having to walk themselves and their elderly grandmother to church, and this clown arbitrarily decides that if anybody was going to come out of it uninjured it should be himself and the other law abiding patrons instead of the two misguided yoots.
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