Ira,
What did I say that this refutes? I didn't deny that auto is auto. I didn't say that M with auto mode = M with the ISO set manually. I didn't deny that M with the option of auto-ISO would be slightly different from M without.
So I'm sorry, but I don't see what you refuted. And I still don't get your point at all.
Are you saying that the Nikon cameras that make auto-ISO an option in M mode, do NOT have a manual mode?
Maybe my imagination is stretchier than yours, but I'd say that, if you set TWO of the three settings, that's at least two-thirds manual. And if the very SAME mode lets you set ALL THREE of the exposure settings, then, when you use it that way, that's completely Manual. Q.E.D.
Not sure how an "auto everything lens" would fit in here, but I think I understand the gibe you were trying to make. But surely, this is a false dichotomy, i.e. bad logic. You would limit me just two extreme options: (a) full manual everything—and I presume this includes no zoom, no auto-focus—on the one hand, and (b) green mode or auto-everything on the other. Fortunately, my camera is much more generous than you are. My camera has multiple modes, and as you move through the modes, you get varying degrees of control, from green mode (no manual control) to M (full manual control) and everything in between.
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Back to the beginning...
The OP asked, "Why doesn't M allow auto-ISO?" I'm not going to review the entire thread, but I'm guessing your response to the OP was something along the lines of, "because if they let you use auto-ISO in M mode, then they couldn't call it M mode, because M means manual, and auto isn't manual."
Fine, if you want to think that. But it's not the right answer.
The right answer has two parts.
First Pentax cameras don't allow auto-ISO in M mode because, traditionally, M mode didn't allow auto-ISO. (Traditionally of course, auto-ISO didn't even exist.)
And second, Pentax cameras don't permit auto-ISO in M mode, because they simply don't. They just don't work that way. It's not a completely arbitrary decision, though. If you want to set the shutter and aperture but use auto-ISO, on some Pentax cameras, at least, you would use TAv. And some people would say that having TWO distinct modes here is better, because when you're in M mode on a Pentax K20D, you know for sure that your ISO is fixed at whatever it is. (A Nikon user who likes having the option of auto-ISO in M might offer a counter argument, of course. Which is why the best answer is, this is just the way it works.)
Just so you know: I shoot almost exclusively in M mode. I've done it all my life. I don't think this makes me a better person. I don't even think it makes me a better photographer than anybody else. An awful lot of pro photographers, better than I, live in Av mode, and even use auto-ISO when it's called for. Surely what matters, at the end of the day, is whether the photos we take are any good, not whether the camera we use has an implementation of M mode that somebody doesn't think is "valid."
I don't miss auto-ISO in M. I know how my camera works, and I can make it work the way I want. But gosh, if they decide, for the next new Pentax DSLR, to get rid of TAv and roll auto-ISO into M as an option, I'm certainly not switching to another kind of camera! I probably wouldn't even bother to write a strongly worded letter to the CEO of Pentax. I just won't use the auto-ISO option.
Now, if they don't let me set the ISO to a fixed value, THEN I'll start yelling.
Will