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Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 12-17-2015, 11:47 AM  
Need help with lens and settings for basketball
Posted By charchri4
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Copy that. Truth to be told I don't have any kids in sports or have any interest in basketball I was just wanting to learn how so I used a couple of my drumline kids a guiana pigs. I coach our drumline and we play in the same gym so it seemed a reasonable effort.


After Sunday I came to the same conclusion on the 70-200 f2.8 though in a very different situation.



With what was in the bag my 50mm prime and a lot of crop was the only safe option in such low light. Turns out they flipped on a couple of overhead lights just before they got in the tank but still the ideal lens would have been that 70-200.


I read a million reviews on f2.8s and considered 50-135, 50-150 or the 70-200 ranges and landed on this guy...


Yeah 70 could be a bit of a push in some situations but over all I think I would use this more than 50-135. Reviews flip flop on who is better Sigma or Tamron but at 450 shipped this copy was hard to pass up. I'm looking forwards to another basket ball game to try it out now!


PS Kevway that football shot is soooo nicet!!! Love the color, angle and wow is it sharp! Someday I'm going to have a shot that good... all be it with a louder team ;)
216654_5108952290_8145_n by Jim Stainer, on Flickr
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 12-14-2015, 06:35 PM  
Need help with lens and settings for basketball
Posted By charchri4
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I can't remember who or why the suggestion was made to use SEL metering but this is it.

Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 12-13-2015, 10:42 PM  
Need help with lens and settings for basketball
Posted By charchri4
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For sure and I bumped it with a comment that $530 this time of the year isn't going to happen but would love it to! I really could have used it in church today.

---------- Post added 12-13-15 at 11:45 PM ----------



Copy that AFC and SEL M with BBF but I did not know you could keep the button pushed all the time and it would track. I was just bumping the button till it hit the spot I wanted then not again unless there was lots of movement. So you you use spot metering then, one of the SELs or?
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 12-13-2015, 12:39 AM  
Need help with lens and settings for basketball
Posted By charchri4
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Holy buckets Kevwaly those are epic shots! In my minds eye that is what I was going to come home with. Just outstanding work there.

I did find the 50mm slow to focus and and with the lower f stop lots more focus problems. I did try my 16/85 with no converter on it for a few shots but not good with the f back over 4.5 and the iso back over 12K. With the Bigma shooting birds in flight the only way to get them sharp is manual so I'm kind of used to that and might just try one of my old manual hand me down lenses and see what happens.

I can't tell you how interesting this process has been and to see shots like you guys are posting here is super helpful!
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 12-12-2015, 07:49 PM  
Need help with lens and settings for basketball
Posted By charchri4
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Well the 50mm was the way to go for sure. Much lower ISO and really not too much cropping. I played a lot with settings and 1.8 is too shallow and hard to focus but 2.2 to 2.8 worked well. Shutter speed was another area I spun the wheel a lot and 1000 or 1250 worked well. I did do some playing with panning and slower too. Nothing great and the light was just as bad but I'm happy with the way it turned out.

They were not all like this but lots of bad light.




This was the best one.


And a crop


All in all a very good exercise and I at least I know my inclination towards my next lens being the Pentax 50-135 f2.8 is spot on!

Thank you so much for your help!
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 12-11-2015, 07:21 PM  
Need help with lens and settings for basketball
Posted By charchri4
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You know I should have posted a shot. I have light room but there is no way noise reduction would fix this mess. This is f4.5, 1/250, ISO 12800 and 50mm on the big lens.


And a zoom for you.


Those are both just compressed a tad for file size but other than that no processing.

In other news I put my 50mm 1.8 on and wow is that puppy tiny! Just moving around the room here compared to the big lens I think I could keep my ISO below 5000 using f2.0 and 1/400 in the same light as the shots above. Hard to tell but I'll find out tomorrow!
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 12-11-2015, 02:09 PM  
Need help with lens and settings for basketball
Posted By charchri4
Replies: 30
Views: 4,281
Copy that. Will be in a different gym so hoping for better light and will use the monopod.

With TAv ISO is auto and I have it capped at 12,800 but there were times it was blinking because it couldn't hold it. I'll set the cap to 800 and work with the shutter speed to keep the blinking under control.

I sat straight out from the opposing teams basket and all of my player shots that would have been keepers had very little or no zoom on the 50-500 lens. So it could be the solution is 50mm f1.8 and only shoot when they are straight in front of me. Dropping 40 lbs of lens weight will be helpful with a slow shutter too!
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 12-11-2015, 10:36 AM  
Need help with lens and settings for basketball
Posted By charchri4
Replies: 30
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Thank you Alex. I'm going to give that a try tomorrow. I would imagine this is a loaded question since the players face will be moving at a much different rate than his hands but do you have a number in mind as a starting point? 1/60 or so maybe?
Forum: Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 12-11-2015, 10:09 AM  
Need help with lens and settings for basketball
Posted By charchri4
Replies: 30
Views: 4,281
I took my K-3 and Sigma 50-500 to a highschool basket ball game last night got 100 wasted shutter auctions. In TAv and wide open even as slow as 1/250 my ISO bounced around 12500 and the photos looked more like sand paper than photos.

I tried my other lens - Pentax 16-85mm f3.5/5.6 and it was no better. No reach either. I have a 1.4 converter I tried that helped the reach a bit but obviously no better shots.

I didn't have it with me but I also have a Pentax 50mm f1.8 AF and a couple of manual 50mm primes.

I love the reach of the Sigma but there is no point pushing the button with the results. I was thinking the 50mm f1.8 and the converter might move the ISO down enough to be useful but do you have any suggestions for fast moving targets under far too few florescent lights with what I have?
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