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Forum: Lens Clubs 10-31-2016, 09:24 AM  
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Posted By wigwamtrout
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Kraus and Dartmoor...your shots with the 8 element 50 and 20 4.5 just perfectly exhibit the quality of the two lenses...sharpest most 3D 50 around and best big sky lens there is. Great!
Forum: Lens Clubs 09-19-2016, 01:37 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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This photo really catches the colorful character of the wonderful 20 4.5. That lens gets the 3d quality too.
Photos just look great from that lens.
The 85 1.9 is also a real winner.
Forum: Lens Clubs 09-04-2016, 08:17 AM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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Your comment has me bellowing at this moment.
Thick and thin, time and being or being and time, egg or chicken...hmmm
My favorite 20th century writer on such subjects is J B Priestley...remembering his commentaries on first seeing the Grand Canyon inspires me to grab some Taks and head out there...or someplace a little closer.
Forum: Lens Clubs 09-03-2016, 07:10 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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Yes, shallow depth of field and lower contrast or haziness aids in creating recession or depth, but there are other things that create volume. I am not a lens designer and cannot speak intricately about field curvature and even more subtle
features concerning a particular lenses focus patterns. Surely, as in all artistic fields, a master designer will shape these features to achieve an aesthetic result.
I occasionally hear about vaunted lens designers and their ability to create a pleasing sophisticated lens. For example, I will go out on a limb and assume whoever may have designed the Pentax 43 limited did so with incredible skill and control. I do not own that lens, but like the Jupiter 135 3.5, images from that lens consistently stick out. Of course the Jupiter is a sonnar design, but that does not account for all of its fine qualities. Anyhow, both of those lenses have 3-dness in abundance. I have an old auto Tak 135 and it 3ds...
My reference to apple and knife post was in response to a reference to Heidegger...just a word joke...a play on words.
Forum: Lens Clubs 09-03-2016, 09:58 AM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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The 55s are a tiny bit easier to use, similar to using 50 1.7s, and might save a little effort and TIME. The 50 1.4s are superior BEING slightly more powerful tools and requiring extra care.

Sorry, couldn't help myself after reading your apple and knife post.

I use three Tak 55s, the auto and super and SMC. I've used all of the fast 50s. Each lens, each and every one has its advantages. Just to grab and go, the coating is more important than anything. If you worry about flare limiting your fun, late coatings are needed. Yet, even in strong somewhat direct light, shooting landscapes, a certain beauty can be had using lenses with weaker coatings. Just depends...

There isn't a lens that easily acquires 3-dness (including landscapes) like the 8 element 50 except some telephotos, the Takumar 200 3.5 being a great example...or the Tak 105 as is clear in the post above. The 8 element is an harmonious and versatile lens. Even for landscapes, it's super sharp at infinity like the 55s and the "old cold" colors (due to coating) are very good. However, just like the auto and super Tak 55s, it can wash out when shooting into the sun. People did shoot great landscapes in "the old days" with lenses like these. It's fun, maybe productive, to use lenses with a few "limitations." New lenses with special elements and super duper coatings are certainly reliable, predictable, quite flareless. They get the shot for sure, and automatically if you like. All of that comes at a cost though. As far as flare goes, you can get flareless well enough with any M 50 or SMC Tak lens while retaining character-3-dness.

My sense of being able to walk into a picture (especially from the 8 element 50) came well before this recent
hype over old lenses having dimensionality (opposed to flatter, less dimensional modern lens designs). It (3-dness) is a real phenomenon designed into the lens and no intricate talk about, or explanations concerning field curvature and so on, cancel the phenomenon of a pleasing multi-dimensional look. The other Takumar 50s and 55s do share, of course, similarly good, if not as pronounced characteristics of dimensionality as the 8 element 50.

One final thought...historically, modern painting is partially if not mostly "fllattening" of the paint surface... a continued heightening of abstraction-cubism defeats that notion in concept at least, and sometimes brings chiaroscura back into play attempting to overcome complete non-dimensionality on canvas.

Of course ”flattened" photos, abstractions, portraits, and even landscapes are just great. Flat photos might define the style of a great photographer. But, I would prefer that the lenses I use not always, automatically impose flatness on each and every picture.

Maybe there is a little battle between prose and poetry going on.

That should be quite enough from me for the TIME BEING.
Forum: Lens Clubs 08-28-2016, 04:16 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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Farms and ranches are good places for photography. I've made some stitched panos with the M 28s. The Tak 55s are very very good for stitches too. I might shoot 200 landscapes in a two day period with the 10mm....or the 12mm (18mm) and I like to take a lot of very wide shots so I need to use those wide high quality lenses that I can frame directly. Also, sometimes I need miniscule weight and auto to keep pressure off of the knees. But, yeah, stitching can be a solution to a degree and there are some things attainable only by stitching. I'm looking forward to seeing more shots from the 200.
Forum: Lens Clubs 08-28-2016, 12:54 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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Now that is a great lens. Haven't checked in to the forum in a long time. Since then I've shot a lot of high priced modern lenses and cameras in other countries and continents, on top of beautiful mountains, on blue oceans and in great cities. I'll say the Taks and Pentax Ms are superior to modern lenses and only two primes outside old Pentax MF are needed to provide complete 35mm satisfaction (convenience, useability, variety, and definite quality). One needs the expensive 10-22 Canon to shoot at 10mm (I don't own this lense but have one available almost any time I wish), and the Zeiss 12mm Touitt on a very very light mirrorless Sony or Fuji apsc camera so that you can shoot with one hand in auto mode (for quick shots down low-close to the ground-fast, high aesthetic quality, high resolution shooting on the run). Their isn't any setup in Pentax land for these last two mentioned lenses or lens camera combos. I know someone might offer up some other options in Pentax land, but there just isn't a match for lightness and wideness and high quality files to be had outside these lens camera combos.
I don't like using zooms but have had some of the best modern zooms at my disposal recently...I just don't want or need them for a number of reasons. Except for the huge 10mm lens and the big Tak 200, all of my gear is compact. Sometimes these big lenses can't come along, or they come along at the sacrifice of wide coverage. Certainly the Zeiss, Tak 200 combo is very good (not too heavy and requiring only two cameras, one light as a feather, and no lens changes) for, lets say, climbing a mountain. So there is a lot of fun and variety carrying odd combos along on various excursions.
On my last outing to the Yucatan and Mexico City, I carried two Ms (50 1.4 and 100 2.8) and the light Zeiss 12mm Sony combo. Next time if I go down there, I'll carry only M 42s...the Tak 35 3.5, 8 element 50, 200 3.5 and probably the 20 4.5 for city street shooting. If I want to shoot the interior of the Cathedral in Mexico City again, I'd just have to have the Canon 10mm along. How fun. This way you get a lot of variety in your renderings (different looks and possibilities-positive ones-while pressed to overcome a few minor challenges or accomodate different limitations).
In all this talk, I left out the man who shoots with 500mm lenses and so on. I like wildlife shooting, but I get it as I can with shorter lenses.
I am almost 60 (can climb a mountain) and have slowly come into this gear with time. So, I am not rich and youthful by age. I'm an everyone's or any man's photographer. This has not been an expensive endeavor at all considering the time I've been shooting old Pentax lenses (about ten years). I've done this with meager finances and a bit of luck. I thought it would be a good time to write a note to MF Tak guys or anyone using older lenses that might be wondering about their viability and quality on digital cameras. Looking at files after being out with Zeiss lenses, then Nikon or Canon lenses, then various Taks and SMCM lenses, I see that these old MF lenses are making the better files and always, at least comparable files. I would point once again to the two above mentioned non Pentax lenses though. Outside of these two, nothing else is needed or wanted except old Pentax lenses.
The 200 3.5 has all of the exceptional color, sharpness, 3dness, bokeh and mechanical beauty of a highly desireable lens. New lenses tend to lack the 3D qualities of a lens like this, and that becomes apparent in a very definite way after looking through a couple of hundred thousand files from various lenses. Newer lenses are flatter in general...a tedium sets in after a while...the eyes tire of the look. I'd liken it to listening to a musical instrument that has a tone quality that eventually either grates on the nerves or becomes flat and dull as one listens to it over a certain period of time. At first a certain punch may grab the attention, but over time that particular quality needs to be confined to certain things only. Otherwise, boredom or even harshness overcome the senses. Maybe I've written long here, but the purpose is to set some things straight and clear, and encourage the Tak fans to care for their lenses and appreciate their quality as they use them on various new cameras....get new FF Pentax cameras or some mirrorless version and skip worrying about or acquiring new lenses!
Forum: Lens Clubs 05-13-2016, 02:42 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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Nothing like Venice for photography. Shots all look nice but that 8 element 50 shot is showing the extraordinary quality of that particular lens.
Forum: Lens Clubs 04-28-2016, 09:25 AM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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This is the one Tak I don't own but really have always wanted. It gets a similar picture to the 200 3.5 Tak, same colors, sharpness, clarity and smoothness...and magic!
Forum: Lens Clubs 01-18-2016, 04:06 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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Dave, you are getting a lot of good shots out of the 20mm!
Forum: Lens Clubs 01-14-2016, 11:08 AM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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The old 58mm filter thread version 28 3.5 has its own unique character and can get super shots right from the camera. It's best not to compare it to other 28s (I have put them all through the test) or you will want to equalize, post process out that character so that its images are like the later 28s such as the SMC (M or K) versions. By adjusting its color (away from green and red) and enhancing micro contrast (starting with the clarity slider in LR), it can get there-to the other level of those later lenses-because its images carry the needed information. I don't think it makes sense to use it that way usually. But if I were only taking out M 42 lenses and interested in getting big prints from a nice shoot out in nature, say from a trip to Yosemite, ha, I would be comfortable with that old lens knowing that I could make the necessary adjustments in LR producing prints very equal to those later 28s. Keeping this in mind, you have to say that the old 28 is an under-rated wide angle! Mechanically and visually, it's a beauty.

my version goes to f22....
Forum: Lens Clubs 12-30-2015, 12:58 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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I'm a little bit surprised at how well the stitches turned out for you. Very good. As far as the old 20 holding up against modern lenses, it's weaknesses are its strength. I'm sure that the designer of the old 20 got the look that was wanted and that aesthetics change with time. For example, boldly colored (surprisingly luminous oranges in particular), punchy, crisp, sharp corner to corner shots like Zeiss wide angles easily produce (with little to no PP) are popular, as they should be, with photographers right now. Pixel peeping, too, is a delight with such lenses making you feel you are getting all you can out of your camera. But, you sacrifice one thing for another. The Tak 20 was not designed to get that certain smack you in the face look, but rather has its own style creating pictorial dynamics that can be just as consistantly appealing as top of the line "modern" lenses. I dont think this old 20 is a one trick pony and some other lenses are a little more "limited" because of their boldness or "simplistic" corner to corner rendering. I think it would be interesting to have a bit more conversation about the aesthtetics of lens design so that discussion over lens quality and character could be more sophisticated. One thing is for certain, any question about most of these old lenses, like the Tak 20 holding up on FF and on high megapixel cameras have been long resolved. These lenses are now what they always were-FF lenses of fine quality. I've recently been able to compare many older Pentax lenses (some of them MF K mounts), to new, top quality zooms and primes. The old MF lenses are all turning out the shots just like they should. If they are primes, and mine all are, they are much sharper side to side than all new top line zooms I've tested. So, where sharpness is concerned, all's as it should be contrary to what some reviews and comments ould have you believe. The new lenses in general do produce punchier more contrasted, more saturated shots right from the camera and can be shot faster using auto focus. So what. After getting little of that, you can go right back to the good old compact MF primes that have their own pictorial appeal, achieving if you like, with a little PP, any look the newer lenses are getting. As far as flair and such things are concerned, the newer lenses are inconsistant just like the older ones were, some flaring quite easily, some almost never. The critical refinement in focusing that I now recognize is possible and missed in many shots can be gained by eye and by manual focusing and not always by auto focusing. I suppose veryone reading and posting to this thread knows all of this, but I needed to see all of it, confirm it via real life photography circumstances out in nature using a variety of camera systems. So, back to the 20 Tak. It is definitely a special lens for its high quality, and the most misunderstood Tak of all. Dave, your posts from this lens have been delightful.

Nice looking shot above with the 24mm. I don't have a Tak 24, but if the opportunity comes around, I'll certainly pick one up!
Forum: Lens Clubs 12-26-2015, 09:56 AM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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Dave, is that an in camera pan or a stitch at the computer? Either way, it looks great. I've been using a lot of other non Pentax lenses
lately including some modern top of the line wide angles. Even though these new ones are mighty fine, one of them absolutely groundbreaking,
none of them make pictures as consistently likeable as the Tak 20. It is probably the most misunderstood and underrated lens in the whole Tak and Pentax
lineup.
Forum: Lens Clubs 11-05-2015, 06:56 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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Takumar Macro 50 4.0

In the last week of October, I was able to visit Big Bend National Park. I guided a friend up a mountain, his first big, strenuous hike. He came within about 20 feet of a momma bear and three cubs coming down the trail in the
evening. What an excitement that was for him. Neither of us saw a mountain lion during our stay, but they are sighted often enough. What a beautiful place, and this year, all of the rains have turned the scenery into the greenest and most vivid purple riot of colors one can imagine. Absolutely stunning. Between the two of us, we had six camera systems (or maybe seven, ha), all the latest and greatest in aps-c and full frame 35mm digital photography. The shooting was fun and I learned a lot. One thing I learned is that next time I go to Big Bend, I'm mounting the Takumar Macro 50 4 on the old Canon 50D to do some serious shooting. I shot so many other cameras and lenses in Big Bend that that lens was neglected until we were leaving the park. I fortunately took a series of landscapes on the way out and all the way back to civilization, some just as we left the park, and many at highway speeds (the slight blur in the lower right hand corner is highway induced, or, maybe I was shooting at f8 and did not have enough depth of field). I really enjoyed what I saw from the old macro when I opened the files (I chose the most prosaic shot I could find for showing off the quality, character of this lens). I especially liked the fact that I opened them after looking at a series of high mountain photos taken with a sonnar design screwmount, the Jupiter 37AM 135 3.5. There is a world of difference from the macro, a tessar design, and the 135 sonnar. Both of these lenses provide plenty of quality and character! I know it is a Takumar thread, but those who shoot this old tessar owe it to themselves to side by side a series of shots from the two lens designs, preferably a series that exploits their strengths. I'll leave any specific description of the peculiar character of these two styles of lens to others. But I will say in a single sentence, the grandiose spacious smooth airy sonnar shots and the flat painterly disciplined colorful and contrasty tessar shots will bring home great images from a place like Big Bend. You need both looks, styles to catch the quality of the earth and atmosphere, especially mountain and vast desert scenery. I included the same shot twice here from the macro, one being an unedited jpeg from the Canon camera set to faithful, the least aggressive, plain setting for in camera jpeg (yes, I do prefer to work from a RAW file and so on, but just not right now). The other is a lightly edited version of the same jpeg in LR. I've always found that this lens makes images that can get by without processing, and when I say get by, sometimes images are really stunning without any edit. If touchup is applied, it only needs to be ever so subtle. I probably overdid the edited shot, but I added no saturation or tweaked any colors, just a little sharpening and a little tone curve to work the ends of the histogram out almost to the edges. I shot pentax M's on a K-3 in the park, and with the AA filter off in the K-3, pictures look a degree sharper, and with a CP filter, control of color and contrast is easy. The Ms did very well on the K-3. I think with that camera, editing for sharpness in general will be almost unnecessary with this old M42 macro. I like that thought. I did not shoot the macro on the K-3. The macro resolves a lot of detail, and you can zoom in quite a lot with great satisfaction if you like doing that kind of thing. It retains almost Zeiss like detail (I did use a Zeiss wide angle in the park and am enjoying deeply zooming in for fun). The Takumar lens will produce fairly big prints from the 15 megapixel Canon camera, and I suspect it will be superb on the K-3 since it shows superior qualities of resolution over the Ms. Yeh, it really does. I found that the ST 35 3.5 produced beautiful shots in the park even though several times I shot a series of shots wide open because I accidently moved the A and M switch to the wrong position. I've managed to do that with the old 20 4.5 a few times also. You sure can get some interesting surprises when you make that mistake. The SMCT 20 held its own alongside the three other very fine wide angle lenses I was able to use. Actually, it held its own against more wides than that since we shot crop and ff systems, all with top notch wide angle lens options. I just wasn't personally able to shoot all of them by a long shot. The old 20 sometimes needs some PP which is fine with me since its quality is unique and the lens is worth some time at the computer.
I was not able to use some of my favorite Takumars this time around (8 element 50, some auto taks, and 200 3.5 especially), but there will be a next time to try those out in the heavenly environment of Big Bend. I don't see a necessity for ridding myself of these great lenses while having access to, or owning the latest gear. This Takumar stuff can't quite be replaced!

One more thought. I'm not so certain that full frame is really so necessary at all for getting higher quality in digital. Of course, I'd like to be the first to try out my old Pentax film lenses on a Pentax FF camera, ha!

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Very fine. Love that 8 element lens.
Forum: Lens Clubs 11-01-2015, 11:55 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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A winner! The 20 gets that atmosphere. I took it to Big Bend recently. I shot a Canon M42 (Taks) system, and Sony Zeiss system (12mm...about 130 gigabytes) and a Pentax K-3 SMCM system (best Pentax Ms) and was struck by the peculiar abilities of the 20 Tak. It has the ability to hold together detail even though it doesn't resolve detail like a Zeiss. Zoom in and watch it hold things together even though you think it's going to go to pieces. Weird. I haven't and won't analyze how it is doing that. All I know is that photos look great from that lens! I like looking at pictures from that lens. It's unique. Perhaps it gets the film look more than any other lens.
Forum: Lens Clubs 10-22-2015, 04:09 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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The 20 4.5 is a great walk around lens! It's about equal to the 31mm limited on my Canon 50D.
Forum: Lens Clubs 10-20-2015, 07:10 AM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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Ah, super!
Forum: Lens Clubs 10-07-2015, 05:26 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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The old 20 gets you into the atmosphere of the place.
Forum: Lens Clubs 10-07-2015, 03:55 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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I totally agree Dave. Glad to hear you like it Tim. It's still a fairly sharp lens, but I think it needs some post production in that area, in some shots, to get apparent edge to edge crispness, or to get close to it. I look forward to using it on FF one day. I think it makes beautiful pictures. I read that folks struggle with many wide angles, the 15 limited and zeiss 21 (edge to edge sharpness), for example, and that there is a learning curve requiring patience to get the best out of the lenses. You can get very crisp shots front to back with the old Tak if you use good technique when shooting the lens. It is quite easy to brush aside any lens as inferior, not learning the ins and outs of shooting it.
Forum: Lens Clubs 10-06-2015, 10:39 AM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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I see you are horsing around with the 20 4.5 ST Dave. Very nice. I've got the Multi Coated version, but I'm not sure it's as good as the ST version. Even though I'd like to have a Zeiss 21 or a Pentax 15 Limited, they can't beat the character and colors from this imperfect lens!
Forum: Lens Clubs 10-04-2015, 06:18 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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On the theme of 35s, highlights from this old lens at 3.5.
Forum: Lens Clubs 10-02-2015, 08:08 PM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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The old 8 element 50 @ 1.4.

---------- Post added 10-02-15 at 08:30 PM ----------



The preceding street photo of Vienna is from a venerable Super Multi Coated 20 4.5.
Forum: Lens Clubs 10-02-2015, 09:25 AM  
Takumar club
Posted By wigwamtrout
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My original photo was so poorly edited, I decided to start over. Yes I did like Vienna. The weather was perfect!
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