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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 04-15-2017, 02:47 AM  
Pentax IS NOT Dooooooomed
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 630
Views: 41,821
If people keep talking down the economy, the economy remains bad and sentiment remains poor - be that consumer sentiment or sentiment of business investors. Its pure logic, its pure psychology, and not whinging.

A whinger or whiner is one who complains when they are ignorant and sceptical about the economy or even a brand like Pentax. I am sick of the whingers and whiners who keep perpetuating myths about Pentax being doomed. You rarely here Nikon or Canon people complain about their brand, because they're VERY brand loyal ......and I was a Nikon fanboi. Nobody complained about Nikon and they're more loyal than dogs. Oh and never criticize a Nikon product to a Nikon fanboi.

This is what is totally bizarre on Pentax Forums .......all this negativity about Pentax, from Pentax fanbois.

My Pentax gear is better than my old Nikon gear. My Pentax gear is better than my old Sony gear. My Pentax gear is better than my current Fujifilm gear too. Pentax deserves every success as the products are VERY good to exceptional.

Pentax is awesome ! and never doomed. Pentax is an outstanding brand and I don't like people talking this brand down. Because of all the negative talk against Pentax, I never even looked at Pentax and thought it was a flunky brand. Only after I spent the time researching the brand and trying out the products I later realized how awesome the products were ........

And the biggest kick in the guts for me was I got into the Pentax brand after the lens price rises. I remember looking at Pentax lenses and saw that they were quiet affordable, but after the price increases, it became prohibitive. So I slowly accumulated Pentax lenses.

I regret not getting a Pentax camera sooner, as I would have saved a lot of time and money wasted with Nikon and to a lesser extent Sony.

If people have constructive criticism about a product, then set up a thread and convey those concerns to Pentax. I believe that Adam is able to convey user requests to Pentax. But having fun for the sake of having fun, and poking fun at something because of some immature whinging whining personal malfunction is counter productive.

The success of this brand is up to us. We are the users and we can influence the company to produce products that we need and want. The K-1 is the case in point here. If it wasn't for the constant pestering and Full Frame threads, there wouldn't be a K-1. The future of that product can also be influenced by this forum by use of constructive threads and suggestions facilitated by Adam.

Pentax is not doomed, unless people stop making that statement. I would be gutted if Pentax shut down, because its a premium product and a travesty that more people don't take up the cameras. If it did shut down, I'd buy a few cameras and keep them in boxes and use them one of them dies.

The "Pentax is doomed" thread should be doomed and kicked to the curb. We don't need it here, its immature.
Forum: Welcomes and Introductions 04-14-2017, 03:12 AM  
Another Aussie new to photography
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 9
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Just have fun, you'll thoroughly enjoy the Pentax user interface, its nice big and in your face. So when you make a mistake you'll easily see where your settings are wrong, and can adjust. The K-70 is a real nice camera, nice choice !
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 04-14-2017, 02:59 AM  
Pentax IS NOT Dooooooomed
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 630
Views: 41,821
I am sick and tired of the "Pentax is doomed" theme on Pentax Forums. Its the self fulfilling prophesy .........If people keep saying it, then it will come true.

A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true, by the very terms of the prophecy itself, due to positive feedback between belief and behavior. https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&u...52479541,d.dGc

The moderators need to shut down this whole "Pentax is doomed" thing, and switch it to "Pentax is Successful"
Forum: Pentax KP 01-29-2017, 04:38 AM  
Why I won't buy a KP.
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 113
Views: 7,537
I saw the title of this thread and thought .....oh here we go again, another one who hates a new Pentax product. I like the K-P, I don't know whether I'll get it, I'm happy with my K-3 ....BUT ! If the high ISO is just nuts, then I'm in ! Or I'll wait for the K-3ii replacement as it might have better high ISO than the K-P.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-18-2016, 05:38 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
I'm a male model, I don't have to spell goodly and grammaticalize da best !
Forum: Product Suggestions and Feedback 12-18-2016, 05:15 AM  
Pentax K-02
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 0
Views: 572
Dear Pentax,

I own a Pentax K-3 and many many Pentax lenses. I would like a Pentax Mirrorless camera also, however, I am not a big fan of the Pentax K-01.

Due to the fact that Pentax does not offer a Mirrorless APSC camera, I have also purchased a Fujifilm camera. However, I do not like the image quality, and much prefer the Pentax Prime engine, and white balance. The lenses with Fujifilm are very good.

I would like to someday see Pentax offer a mirrorless camera, which will have its own new mount with an 8mm flange distance, to keep the dimensions small, and allow for some third party lens options.
A K-mount adapter with built in focus motor would be a must have so it can use current K-mount lenses.
New lenses, trinity zooms: 10-20, 16-50, 50-200 or 300. A few primes 16mm 1.4, 35mm 1.4, 50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.4 (this is asking alot). Gun metal grey in color.
Distance scales on the lenses (linear motor driven lenses forgo distance scales typically).
An EVF or Hybrid EVF/Optical Viewfinder.
5 frames per second plus, preferably 10fps and a huge buffer.
On sensor phase detect autofocus. Autofocus speed must meet Sony A6000 speed.
Between 200-400 autofocus points.
Shake Reduction IBIS 4.5stops, and Pixel Shift.
Electronic shutter up to 32000th of a second.
Decent video 1080p up to 60fps with the old K-5 electronic-digital shake reduction (4k maybe down the track).
Battery grip to extend battery life only, no boost modes.
A popup flash that tilts up for some bounce flash.

Design: Make it look like it was a prop from Star Wars - something futuristic, purposeful and modern. White and gunmetal grey colors. Don't copy the Sony A7 or Fujifilm boxiness. Canon's M5 looks okay and modern, so I think a modern style would suit. If you want to go retro then go silver top and bottom plate with black leather - it could work well.

I personally like the K-S1 look with rear dial setup ...... A K-S1 without mirror and flange distance, and pentaprism, instead with EVF and new lens mount. The body was slippery, and the perforated leather from the K-30 would have been suitable on the grip to prevent slipping.

(Forum Members can add to any other features they see necessary which I might have missed)
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-18-2016, 03:51 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
Well, when you've got shipping containers full of K-01's, REJECTED from across the globe. They unpacked those K-01's and set about rebodying them. I guess someone had a bright idea of turning it into the Smurf model, and selling and marketing it to the Anime hipsters in Japan. The Japanese market is a very unique market.

You can argue and go on and on and on about your point, but the camera is ugly .....you either accept this or you don't. I nearly bought one and maybe if I could get one for next to nothing, I might give it a try. Yes its ugly, but I would buy one. Like I said before, I have a Fujifilm camera, and its ugly too, but actually has super-dooper high ISO performance.

Within the concept of the K-01 series, someone had a bright idea to make the K-01. The design brief was to make the camera shoot whilst standing up, and also standing on its side with the 40mm 2.8 XS lens. So the design brief is for a brick shaped camera with K-30 internals. How do you make a brick look attractive .......get in an outside designer with a big name, and let him turn a brick into something attractive. It did not work.

Even if it had have been a beautiful camera, people would have complained about the lack of EVF, new short filangee lens mount, auto focus speed, lack of tilty swivel screen etc etc etc.

When a manufacturer does a half-a**ed job on a camera, they get PUNISHED in the market place. Pentax probably suffered greatly for this camera, however Pentax has now learned that the market is fickle, buyers are more intelligent, prudent and sophisticated than what the manufacturers give us credit for. When the cost of the camera is as much as the cost of a good washing machine, they want to know that they're going to be getting something of value.

Now there was also the Sony NEX camera that came out earlier and was a huge hit with its super compact size, silver metal stylish finish and Pentax was trying to emulate that effort. A thin and slender metallic NEX versus the fat, boxey, plasticy Marc Newson 1920's mirrorless.

Lets stop kidding ourselves, the K-01 failed in the market place ...which is a fact ......and that fact had something to do with the way it looked.

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Its all horses and carts where I'm from !



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Yes, a total mystery why the K-01 failed in the marketplace .........and the mystery shall continue on Pentaxforums !

All these bright minds, and nearly everybody an engineer on Pentaxforums and we still can't crack the problem of why the K-01 failed ....



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If you do MATLAB and programming, syntax is everything .......... then autocorrect should be easy.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-18-2016, 03:19 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
Yes, a time machine .......its all coming to getting for you in your mind !

Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-16-2016, 05:52 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
I don't think about anything you've claimed .........because ............ opinions of aesthetics is a science, and not some random subjective matter. If you actually have the claimed educational level you would recognize this.

We are not arguing about one statement ......you are arguing about the statement I made ......and might I add, poorly !

Okay, I'm dealing with facts here:

Here's why - The Pentax K-01 was released into the market place. The K-01 was designed by a famous Industrial Designer. The design was heavily criticised. Sales were poor. The camera was heavily discounted and deleted from production. The End !

The Canon EOS M was released. Designed in house. It had no EVF (Like the K-01). The autofocus performance was poor with both M lenses and adapted EF lenses. The autofocus performance was heavily criticised. Customers expected ultra fast AF in a compact mirrorless body. Canon disabled or poorly implemented the autofocus so as not to endanger its DSLR business. Sales were poor. The camera was heavily discounted and deleted. The End ......but not totally. The EOS M 2 came out only in Asia. EOS M 5 might actually be the first acceptable incarnation, yet it still falls heavily short of the performance of the Sony A6000 and up.

Those are pretty much so the facts of two mirrorless cameras that have flopped.

The Pentax K-01 was a flop because it was an unattractive camera ....FACT ! Evidence provided: cause and effect established. Case closed ...everybody knows this except you !

Your only argument is: Oh well, a cameras visual appeal is a subjective matter ....... Quote Wikipedia with a link to Philosophy that aesthetics/attractiveness is subjective and objective depending on philosophical standpoint.

Rebuttal to your argument that it is a philosophical standpoint is: The science of Social Psychology shows that attractiveness/aesthetics is a biological matter, and also a social matter, and there are other aspects associated also.

Philosophy doesn't answer the question as to why the K-01 FAILED in the marketplace ........Social psychology does!

You might think its an attractive camera, but the marketplace did not. You might even be Marc Newson !

Lets deal in facts and not in philosophy.

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Come back in a weeks time and re-read what you wrote .......and then tell me that I'm wrong.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-16-2016, 05:16 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
Yes yes Social Psychology is just hocus-pocus and based on prejudice .......yeah good one ! Yeah they use the scientific method, and use experiments with repeatable outcomes etc etc Yeah there's nothing "sciencey" to it, its all based on opinion and prejudice ;) ! How much beer and liquor are we drinking tonight ?
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-16-2016, 05:10 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
Yes yes everybody is an "engineer" on Pentax forums. I will "Thank" about it for zero seconds ...... chuckling !
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-16-2016, 04:35 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
Well next when you're at Mcdonald's looking at the menu, you'll notice how the pictures present the food in all its glorious perfectness. Yet when you open up your grease covered box Big Mac, you find its flopped over with ingredients misaligned, and it doesn't look nowhere near as appetizing as the one on the menu board.

Like I said, attractiveness is not subjective, it is biological and social. Social psychology identified this long ago. read my previous comment.

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I'm sorry, when did philosophy beat the SCIENCE of Social Psychology ........... when did this happen ? Maybe I was off flying around the galaxy in my galactic space ship shooting aliens, and people back on earth started putting philosophy ahead of the sciences ! Industrial Design is a science at the engineering department in University champ ! And not at the philosophy department !
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-16-2016, 04:25 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
Well assuming that your father is a royalist, I'd say his dislike for Meghan is based on a political standpoint because she is an American and not British. She is clearly attractive. He would probably prefer that Prince Harry hook up with some British blue blood rather than being with a half white (Dutch and Irish) and African American woman.

The 5 Laws of Attraction | Laws of Attraction

Attraction in psychology stems partly from biology. I am a male, and I like cars which have curves that are reminiscent to the shape of a woman's body. When cameras are curvey they might appeal to the male psyche because they have attributes of a woman's body. However, males also like masculine designs of steel like what we see with machine guns ....they generally do not have any feminine elements. They are machines designed to kill and are attractive to some of the base instincts of the male psyche.

These retro designed cameras seem to appeal to males because they have that polished metal look wrapped with leather - or the skin of an animal - and that appeals to the basic male psyche. For females, they might be attracted to the retro camera because it has become fashionable, and that certain "era's" in style are important to the female psyche. Younger men might be attracted to the retro-look cameras because they are into fashion, and these are the characters whom are labelled hipsters ........young men who try to be fashionable first, putting form ahead of function. So the young male hipster bases his attraction to a camera based on social reasoning, so's he is accepted within his social group, rather than relying on his basic sexual instincts.

This leaves the K-01 in the art deco style which probably appeals to a more androgynous psyche ......... Smooth straight lines, and curves that are neither feminine nor masculine.

Looking at my K-3, it looks like a male camera, its metal, its tough, its angular and curvey at the same time - it looks tough. Looking at a Porsche 993 GT2 it looks like a hot woman with sexy sumptuous lines, hips and almost having breasts - but it still looks tough. The K-01 is neither here nor there, and thats why it did not appeal to the broader heterosexual audience. But the people who do use it really like it as a camera.

Attraction is not subjective, it is largely biological, and then also needs to be socially acceptable. Social psychology has identified this long ago.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-16-2016, 02:32 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
Well Sigma's gone past were heavily criticized for being useless, itty-bitty buffers, atrocious high ISO ....I think TCS described ISO 400 as having the quality of newsprint. Along comes the much larger, more purposeful looking quattro, looking like the equivalent of an AR15 for the camera world .......But, it is once again another flop, with horrendously poor performance. A high tech digital camera should look like a piece of modern machinery, and not like a fashion accessory .......IMO. It should look like something from Star Wars.



Dude, I'd buy a K-01 for the right price. In fact I nearly bought one ........but its an ugly camera that I have been interested to buy. I have a little Fujifilm camera, its a plastic little box with zero style. They can wrap those little Fuji's in black, White, Blue, Tan and Red leather and they still look stupid ...... IMO ......but I own one.

To say that a camera is ugly does not make a person an idiot, and nor is it subjective. If attractiveness is subjective, then why do Master Chefs heavily pursue the aesthetic when they present food on a plate. Aesthetics is not a subjective matter, it is an innate component of the human psyche.

Calling me an idiot is not allowed on this forum, no personal attacks are allowed.



Marc Newson underdesigned the camera ......he is a minimalist in terms of his design. Most people would prefer MORE buttons and dials for functionality purposes. Given, there is such a thing as too many buttons and dials.

My Fuji one could say, could have been the product of Fred Flintstone or Barney Rubble.........if they got their hands on a plastic injection moulding machine (very tacky and rough faux leather in a plastic finish).
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-14-2016, 06:47 PM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
Dude, face facts the Marc Newson design was disgusting. He was trying to blend it with 1920's art deco design.

But lets not forget that the design brief was that the camera had to be able to stand up on its base and on its side with the little 40mm 2.8 attached.



There's Marc doing art deco on a leica .......looks like a toaster crossed between a washing machine ........or thats the love child of a 1920's art deco toaster and washing machine.



The SD Quattro looks like a camera, it has presence, it looks cool and it looks purposeful. Yes its an OVERSIZED camera, where mirrorless is supposed to be small. The lack of a new mount shows that Sigma is not interested in pursuing 8mm filangee lenses ....... they have a few of them. But the camera has been reviewed and its crap and another Sigma orphan ....nobody is gonna touch it, its useless.

If you said that you wanted a motorbike, and your wife surprises you by buying one ........ how would you feel if she surprised you with a little Vespa scooter. You're dreaming of a Yamasuzukasaki that does 350kph, and not a retro designed 1920's art deco Vespa. Vespa's aren't motor bikes (No offence to the Vespa biker gangs of London).

K3 is a camera. K01 is a Scooter.

K02 should be a camera.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 12-14-2016, 04:33 AM  
rumored Pentax mirrorless camera - something between K1000 and K-01
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 480
Views: 40,461
Thats what I'm talking about !

Pentax needs to do this right. A mirrorless with a new mount, plus a K-mount adapter and 8mm filangee distance so you can mount some of those third party lenses like samyangs f/0.95. That adapter should be like the Sony one which has a built in AF motor for screw drive, but naturally without a translucent mirror.

Dobar dan ! Regarding the design, I hope that Marc Newson doesn't get the contract, his K01 caused the cameras demise. I think that I could have designed a better mirrorless camera .....or even a child could have done a better job.

But also I think retro has already been done by Fuji and Olympus, Pentax should keep it modern and not pander to the hipsters. But then again, if retro sells, then I guess it willl help Pentax. But imagine having a retro Pentax mirrorless, and putting on your K-mount lenses with all the varying styles .......it will look out of place. Retro Pentax mirrorless means new mount, and new retro looking lenses. But then again, this rumor might be a hoax. I hope it isn't.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 11-21-2016, 03:26 AM  
DIY SDM repair!
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 199
Views: 82,156
Probably necessary that little spring. The trick is to do the disassembly and reassembly in a big plastic bag. I've had parts fly like the little ball bearings and spring in the aperture ring go flying. I had to get the vacuum and them CSI it in the cannister ...... and yes I found both.

Go to some second hand pawn broker stores and find and old Pentax crusty old lens and you can scavenge it for that spring.
Forum: Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 11-20-2016, 04:05 AM  
Avalanche of New Lenses: Third Party Pentax ......
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 15
Views: 1,735
Over the past few years there has been an avalanche of new third party lenses, but very few make it to Pentax mount. I'm getting frustrated by this. It seems the third party lenses coming out have gotten better and better, and now there's the Pentax KAF4 mount, it should be a simple conversion into Pentax mount without a mechanical aperture arm. There have even been new lenses and only Nikon and Canon get the lens as Sony is more focused on mirrorless now. So even Sony A mount is being ignored.

How do Pentaxians encourage Tamron, Sigma and Tokina into making small runs of these lenses.

Is there any way to find out if Sigma will do some limited runs on some of its lenses. Maybe if Pentaxians got together and effectively made a commitment by petitioning and maybe putting a deposit on lets say 150-600mm lenses, then maybe they'd do a production run.

I know what people will say, its marketing yadda yadda yadda......Pentax isn't selling enough cameras yadda yadda yadda. But does anybody know what will come out from Sigma, Tamron and Tokina ?
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 09-25-2016, 05:06 AM  
Consolidated digest of Pentax diviner's visions
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 72
Views: 7,976
So now the executive at Pentax is a liar and blowing smoke up everyone's behind - You know, they'll commit Harakiri if they get caught lying to their customers. All I'm saying is its a pretty big risk !
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 09-25-2016, 04:34 AM  
rumor new vintage FF and apsc mirrorless
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 621
Views: 39,072
I don't think that this dynamic is even applicable anymore. There are viable options for photography with Olympus, Panasonic and the ones you list. The problem for Pentax is to remain technologically relevant. Which means improved AF and AF performance with lenses, as mirrorless is surpassing DSLR in auto focus now. Pick up a cheap Canon apsc and its zip zip with the AF. Pick up an XT-2 and its zip zip also. Pentax AF speeds on certain lenses are good to very good, but not enough zip-zip.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 09-25-2016, 04:09 AM  
Consolidated digest of Pentax diviner's visions
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 72
Views: 7,976
Yes this may all be well and good, but what did chairman Kaga from the interview say:

"After the release of the K-1, we are getting a lot of nice hints. We want to communicate with our fans more closely, through the forum as well as direct events.
We want to listen to the customer's voice, because our success only comes from the users. We want to satisfy users, and then they will respect our products. We can then deliver new products according to their advice."


Read more at: Photokina 2016 Pentax Interview - Photokina 2016 | PentaxForums.com

From the horses mouth ......how ironic just yesterday I was saying that Pentax does look at the forums and look at what their customers are yacking about.

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What did chairman Saito say:

After the release of the K-1, we are getting a lot of nice hints. We want to communicate with our fans more closely, through the forum as well as direct events.
We want to listen to the customer's voice, because our success only comes from the users. We want to satisfy users, and then they will respect our products. We can then deliver new products according to their advice.


Read more at: Photokina 2016 Pentax Interview - Photokina 2016 | PentaxForums.com

Well there you have it. Christmas wish lists from "the usual worthless suspects" are in ! But you should have already known this because during every photo show Pentax forums interviews the big wigs from Pentax and they always say that they're listening to users on the forum.

No need to thank me, just thank the "usual worthless suspects" as you call them.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 09-23-2016, 01:10 AM  
Consolidated digest of Pentax diviner's visions
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 72
Views: 7,976
If this forum or other Pentax forums were irrelevant, then why did Beholder put up a whole bunch of quotes from the forum members who obtain insider information about whats coming from Pentax. If the forum were irrelevant then these two wouldn't bother with the biggest internet forum for Pentax.

The bottom line is that we live in a digital age. As soon as a product is released it gets reviewed by online sources and immediately there be customer feedback. Look at the Canon 5Div debacle. Online its been a flop, and if Canon isn't paying attention to the forums and youtube, then they would be off their rocker.

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Pentax has their people on this site and they disseminate information about upcoming products - isn't that the premise of this thread. This forum does discuss the things which Pentaxians are after. There was a massive calling from this forum for a full frame camera - I mean you would have to be deaf if you didn't see that outcry for years. So .........The "Loud Brats" kept complaining and complaining and asking Adam and the others to ask Pentax whether they were making a full frame camera.

If Adam organized things and did some surveys periodically, the forum could channel this energy and he could deliver to the Pentax bigwigs what Pentaxians are after in the future interviews.

Primes and AF has been a large issue on this forum and in the youtube reviews, and it appears Pentax is listening and are working on improving those aspects - based on the quotes you yourself have posted.

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Adam or some other dudes from this forum have interviewed the chiefs at Pentax in the past and have conveyed that Pentax users want a full frame. This IS the Pentax users forum - this is the BEST place to see customer feedback on products. Do you think that Pentax marketing - if it even exists - walks around the streets of Tokyo interviewing complete strangers who may or may not be a camera user. Pentax will talk to its photographers and its customer base.

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Now this is just arguing for the sake of arguing.

It is well established that Canikon have listened to its users. This is the cyber age, and camera users congregate in cyber space, and market research can simply sit on their butts in an office and get an idea about the product feedback.

When someone opens a restaurant, the first place they have to keep an eye on is the internet sites where people review and post comments on restaurants. Some folks even go to such an extent as to create fake profiles and post bogus positive comments about their own restaurant.

Dude, this is the cyber age.

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I currently work, but If I were to run a business, and a business that could improve its exposure on the internet, I would. If I could take a peek at any forum that discussed my products or services, I would periodically research whether there was positive or negative cyber-chat. People pick up their phones and search for a restaurant and see what others think of it .......its pretty common nowadays.

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Yeah you're like me - the glass is half full kinda guy. As opposed to the - glass is half empty ......"ain't nothing going on here in this forum its a waste of time nobody from Pentax cares about Pentax Forums ........except when Pentax Forums goes to photokina or CP+ and interviews the CEO or Vice whatever of product development. Yeah pentax Forums is irrelevant.

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They go to the product reviews - lets say the DA* 16-50mm 2.8 - and look at what people say about the lens. They take a note pad and jot down the users positive comments and negative comments. The main issue with that lens is the SDM which is apparently addressed. Next issue is the purple fringing - quality control.

Note Pad says: Fix the SDM motor. Improve quality control during element manufacturing, and improve testing the final product for defects.

You do not need the super computer "Deep Blue" and a team of programmers to develop an algorithm that scans Pentax forums or other forums to analyse Pentaxians. Just a notepad and pen.

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Typically fertilizer companies are engaged in a dialogue with their farmer customers, and deliver products specific to various regions where soils have certain deficiencies. Same thing with crops with new hybrids - they actually collaborate with farmers. If you've ever driven past a corn field sometimes they'll have the specific breeds with signs posted from the manufacturer of the breeds.
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 09-22-2016, 03:38 AM  
rumor new vintage FF and apsc mirrorless
Posted By zoolander
Replies: 621
Views: 39,072
I agree with some of what you are saying, but the DF was a fad camera. They took the D3 I think it was, and de-tuned it .......basically made it worse so's it might appear to be "retro". People aren't stupid, they realized it was a daft thing, though plenty of fanboi's bought it.

Think of it as Porsche does business: They make a 911 and its a great car but heavy. They take that same 911 and turn it into a GT or club sport by stripping out the electric windows, heated seats and lots of comforts, then they tune the engine, suspension, brakes and exhaust and make it produce a lot more horsepower. Yes its now more uncivilized, but its a track day car and can blitz around the track.

So taking a camera, then stripping it of this that and the other to make it retro .........and it LOSES performance, will be frowned on by reviewers. It will be another laughing stock.

Pentax cannot afford to produce a camera with a design philosophy as the DF. The K-01 was an example where they took the the path with the least resistance to a mirrorless body, and it was a flop. So you can't put a tiny amount of effort into something and expect to earn a fortune. You have to build a product thats kickin it ! Thats innovative, thats high tech, that styled by a proper industrial designer.

Retro for the sake of retro will be a flop, but retro with advancements will probably work ....... but now they're all jumping on the bandwagon and playing it safe as a retro styling cue.

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Its not going to work. It would be a laughing stock by every reviewer. They'll be like, "Oh Pentax has sluggish AF performance to start with compared to others, fewer focus points, and poor video, but takes very very nice photos. Now this new Pentax retro camera has even worse performance and has gone backwards to be more retro". Could you imagine the chuckles and comments on threads lambasting Pentax for not improving the things that they all seem to complain about.

No, Pentax needs to be moving into a high technology philosophy for product development and greater customer feedback. Minimalism will fail, just ask Stalin !
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 09-22-2016, 03:23 AM  
Consolidated digest of Pentax diviner's visions
Posted By zoolander
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So basically we might as well close down the Pentax forum, and stop talking about Pentax camera products and what we like and don't like, and discussing what the products need.

I think the days of IGNORING THE FORUM, are over. Pentax has listened to its customers and brought out the K-1. Lens AF is still an issue and needs to be fixed.

Canon and Nikon are constantly being praised by its customers on forums because they listen to their customers and implement products and features their customers ask.

Shutting down free speech, or customer feedback is corporate suicide. I certainly hope that Pentax won't listen to folks who advocate that customer feedback be ignored in favor of focus group research..
Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 09-22-2016, 02:05 AM  
Consolidated digest of Pentax diviner's visions
Posted By zoolander
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Views: 7,976
I believe part of my Christmas wishlist is answered here. I felt that Pentax needed to modernize its lens lineup, and others have commented in the media that it needed work.

I sort of question the move to cooperating with Tamron with several lenses. I wonder whether sticking with Tokina would have been better. One mistake with the partnership with some of the DA lenses was to not get the Tokina 11-16mm 2.8, but the newer Tokina 11-20mm 2.8 is a lot better now. It would be nice if Pentax had have continued with Tokina and offered that 11-16mm or 11-20mm as a DA* lens thus completing the set with the 16-50 and 50-135 .......But with linear AF motors or ring motors.

If we don't let our wish list out there, then Ricoh won't know what their customers want and need. I guess Ricoh has to tidy up after the years of Hoya ownership.
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