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Forum: Pentax News and Rumors 03-04-2009, 12:04 PM  
If you thought the White KM was ugly...
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 49
Views: 7,006
Not only is the G1 available in red, there's a reddish looking Samsung NX mockup in pictures from the PMA show.

Why red?

Simple.


RED WUNZ IS FASTER!
Forum: Photographic Technique 09-25-2008, 07:51 AM  
Got depressed at local camera store
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 64
Views: 16,374
No flamin' from me, I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you said. As satisfied as I am with my Pentax gear, they aren't exactly hottin' up the sales charts are they?

It's too bad, because the reasons they aren't making sales have little to do with image quality, build quality, lens and accessory selection, or anything that actually matters to the image, it's all the mythology, mindshare and marketing. Sony hasn't exactly been able to make a big splash on the market either, even with their size and brand awareness, so it's still a c and n world.
Forum: Photographic Technique 09-25-2008, 07:43 AM  
Got depressed at local camera store
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 64
Views: 16,374
The thing that's so frustrating is that Nikon usually releases gear that has about the same specs and IQ as Pentax, but everybody acts like it's a big deal when it's from Nikon.

The d40 was roughly equivalent to the K110D, except the K110D had some extra features. Compare the hype and sales of the d40 to the K110D, or the K100D for that matter.

How many D80's sold compared to the K10D? Was the D80 really that much better? I doubt it from what I've read.


I'll also point out a couple of other things. Commission. Dpreview.

Commission is an obvious one.

And Dpreview has lots of influence on opinions. Right or wrong, it's a fact. If you want a chuckle or two, read the D200 review and the K10D review. In the D200 review, the default soft jpegs are noted but then dismissed as "normal" for the class. But similar looking soft jpegs out of the K10D are their biggest knock against it, and probably the main reason it barely squeaked by with a recommended. In fact, dpreview mentions that they adjusted jpeg settings to improve output from the D200 when compared with a Canon, to help the read better understand what the D200 was capable of. It's kind of funny. And read the kit lens reviews and scores too. Hilarious. So it's understandable when you read comments on dpreview forums about how pentax gear would be good if you could use it to actually take pictures with. A little stupid perhaps, but understandable, the posters are only aping what they've read on the site.
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 09-25-2008, 07:09 AM  
Shoot professionaly with Pentax?
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 103
Views: 17,340
As far as the OP's question.

I would think that if you're working independently, you wouldn't NEED to switch brands, unless you were doing something that needed the firing rate of submachine gun. If you're doing weddings on your own, or portrait work on your own, what would be the point of owning a particular brand? If you're lucky(? I'm not sure if that's really the way to put it) and you end up working for someone else, like a newspaper or someone's studio, they probably have gear for you to use. I think the two or three major points for C or N in the pro world are that they have a pretty extensive pro support networks(from what I've read), most organizations that have equipment have invested in one or the other so you can use lenses and bodies from their pool or rent gear, and also the most exotic lenses and flash gear are usually C or N.
As a hobbyist(not professionally), I've used film gear from C, N, M and Pentax, and digital gear from C, S and Pentax, and in my opinion(yes it's my opinion) the comparable Pentax gear is as good as anything else you can buy as far as IQ, reliability, etcetera, it's just more cost effective.
Forum: Photographic Industry and Professionals 09-25-2008, 06:53 AM  
Shoot professionaly with Pentax?
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 103
Views: 17,340
It's sick, but funny.
Forum: Photographic Technique 09-25-2008, 06:51 AM  
What was it like in the good old days?
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 68
Views: 12,335
Too true. In my opinion, one of the big things for DSLRS that happened was when they hit 10MP. At that point, I got enough extra so I could crop some if I had to, but still get super 8x10s, and if I was careful, I could get bigger prints than that. 6MP was another high point, where I could make great 8x10s(and sometimes a little larger) without up-sampling.

It's too bad that Pentax couldn't have kept the K10D in the line-up, to this day it's still probably more than I need, but it sure is nice to have. The K10D could have been Pentax's 5D or D80(except it's constructed better), you know, a consumer model that stayed on the market longer than 18 to 24 months. Ah well, I've got my K10D at least.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 09-24-2008, 05:46 AM  
Pentax K2000 / K-m - right way Pentax
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 13
Views: 2,820
You may have already tried this, if so, pardon me.

For my K100D I bought a tiny, lightweight keychain led flashlight. It's plastic and lightweight, about the size of quarter, although a little thicker, and I attached it to the camera strap. Now I've got a little multi-use light that I can use to check settings. And I can use it to look for something in my camera bag in the dark. It's turned out to be really handy, and I think it cost around $3.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-20-2008, 03:43 PM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
This was kind of my point, Pentax does make great gear, it just seems to be not widely perceived. I guess I'm just skittish when Pentax is on a bumpy road, since I had settled on the Maxxum system back in 1989, and stuck with it until I was almost at the point where I could buy a Maxxum 5D and then they went out of business. It was fine gear, no better or worse than the other stuff. I bought Maxxum because I just happened on a really good deal on a Maxxum 9000, even though it wasn't compatible with the little bit of other manual focus gear I owned. I bought an EOS Digital Rebel and a lens after Minolta's announcement, since there wasn't any hard info about anything coming up for the Maxxum system. Then Sony introduced the A100 so I traded off the tiny amount of Canon gear and got one. It was okay, but I wanted something more, and I would have stuck with Sony, but I couldn't(can't) afford the A700, (which I like alot), and most of their lenses seem really expensive, comparatively speaking. Pentax seemed to offer the mostest for the leastest, I'm still amazed at some of the images I can pull out of my K10D. But with the Hoya buy-out and now the news that Pentax will be "right-sizing" production levels, it was starting to look like Minolta all over again. I'll just have to hope not, because Pentax really seems to have the quality/price thing set so that even I can own a decent system.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-20-2008, 07:17 AM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
Again, because they like it doesn't mean it's "superior". And you complain about popphoto's opinions(which agreed with you about the Nikkor) regarding the quality of the Pentax lens, by pointing to other opinions. If popphoto is right about the Nikkor(they agree with your other sources), then can they not also be right about the Pentax?



You're continuing line of disagreement suggests other wise.



I'm doubting the accepted myth. I'm not trying to prove any myth is more correct than any other. You complain about the opinions of popphoto as opinions. But you begin with the statement "widely been acclaimed the top of the standard zooms. and by an pretty impressive list of reviewers and pros." Aren't these also opinions? What makes them any more valid (or for that matter impressive)?
While working in a camera store in the early to mid '80s (so I could attend the university part time) I got to know a few local pros, and as far as technical knowledge went, most weren't very knowledgeable about equipment(although a few thought they were and a very few were REALLY knowledgeable). Most were comfortable working with the equipment with which they were accustomed, so that's what they stuck with. Some were quite creative, others weren't, although they could achieve a good image technically(exposure, focus were correct etc.). Fact is, a few of them confessed to using Nikon because that's what other pros used and they were used to it, it worked and what would they get by switching. They could already rent or borrow lenses, motors, etc.




Sure you did. For a start, you concluded I didn't know the difference in the fov between the 16-50 on an asp-c cam like the K10D, and the fov of the 24-70 on the d300(dx) vs the d700(fx), why else would you try to explain to me that they're different. I'm aware, just not wealthy. You've also made the point that I'm trying to prove the myth of Pentax's superiority(according to your earlier statement) with data that you question, but I'm not.

And like I said, the 24-70 and the 16-50 are similar enough(more apples and pears than apples and oranges) that the 24-70, at least according to the general notion, should be vastly better. I don't see any evidence for that.

The whole point of my argument is that the myths don't stand up. While the Pentax lens in this test came out(very very marginally) on better, the more important point is that it is not vastly inferior to the Nikon or Canon offerings.

And my financial position has a great deal to do with it. I don't have any illusions about how much money I can spend on what is ultimately a hobby. I have little to spend so I try to budget carefully. Mythology is no help with that. If you're wealthy(I don't know if you are or not), that's great, but it seems(from your posts) like my resources are more limited than yours. I'm not madly envious or upset about it, just realistic that my budget is more limited.

And you don't need to apologize, I don't offend that easily.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-19-2008, 05:16 PM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
That is hardly MY point. According to the commonly accepted "truth", the 24-70is a Nikkor, made by Nikon and should knock the socks off a Pentax lens. It doesn't. That doesn't mean it isn't a great lens. I never said that it wasn't(although the Pentax did test a very slight tad better SQF wise).

(As an aside, I'm aware of the differences in field of view if the 24-70 were used on the D300 vs the D700. I only mention purchasing it with a D300 since the D300 would be the most expensive Nikon I could afford. A $3500 Nikon D700 might as well be a $35000 Nikon when it comes to my finances. I can afford neither.)



I own the DA* 16-50, and it does fine too.



If you have no idea then why does it seem that you've concluded I'm wrong. And I'm only pointing out that the "FACT" that "EVERYONE KNOWS" about Nikon or Canon being "superior" doesn't appear to actually be valid. This is what I find so aggravating, that this widely accepted "FACT" doesn't appear to actually be a fact.



Not sure what you mean here. The 17-55 f2.8 was introduced within the last year or so, the 24-70 came out this year, iirc, the 16-50 hit the market sometime last year, I think. Surely a year (or 18 months) doesn't equate to great gulfs of technological advancement in optics. And neither 17-55 performs any better, both appear slightly worse than the 16-50. Slightly being the operative word. But both are not slightly more expensive, instead they each cost a fair amount more.



Is this an agreement? Your post(s) seems to say you do agree, but that I'm also wrong, and you disagree. Which I have to admit, is confusing.



I picked popphoto especially since they are unlikely to be biased. There is enough of that to go around already. They also have much experience, and while I can't say they have the most sophisticated optics lab around, they should have been able to easily detect the extensive superiorness I've been hearing about. I don't have the luxury of renting(or borrowing). If I did rent a lens and it was good, I couldn't afford to buy it since I would have spent part of the money on renting it.



I'm not certain what impression you believe I took away from the tables(or the text, which I also read). To clear that confusion, here's the impression I got: the Nikkor and Canon lenses appear to be excellent, the Pentax tests very slightly better here or there, but is generally of the same excellent quality. But that's really the point, all the lenses are similar enough in quality. Despite re-reading the text and re-examing the chart, I'm still not seeing "superior", except for price. Yet that "superior" myth is continually perpetuated.

And here's what I think about reviews, so you don't come to another conclusion about me that may not be correct. I don't think ANY review is the gospel.

-BUT-

I just don't have the money to try(or even buy) all the different equipment that's on the market. I sometimes get enough money saved up to buy something, and I have to spend it carefully. That's why I read reviews. I have to depend on them to guide my purchase.

And popphoto publishes tests and reviews on lots of equipment, and usually they're about right for me to digest, enough information, but not too much. I'm not an optical engineer, and I wouldn't get much out of a test report written for such an audience.(And likely wouldn't really care anyway, despite what this thread might look like.) And since I'm far from rich, I have to be careful where I spend what little discretionary income I have. No weekends with super spendy kit for me. My wife and the tax-man make sure of that.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-19-2008, 07:39 AM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
If I compare the nikkor 24-70 as a full-frame lens, and the 16-50 as an APS-C lens, I have roughly comparable fields of view. The nikkor certainly doesn't seem to fair better than the Pentax for its "superiorness", especially not $1000 more.


True, I have not used the nikon lens in question, I would have to sell all of myequipment(4 bodies, 10 lenses and flash gear) to purchase it and a d300 to use it on. But I have used Canon EOS digital equipment, and I didn't find anything superior about it. I have also used Nikon 35mm equipment in the past, and couldn't find anything that set it apart from other manufacturers. It was okay, but it wasn't anything special. I just thought I was missing something. Having said that, I don't believe that the Nikon is a "dud" or "junk", I believe that it's an excellent lens, just not "superior".

For an even better comparison, examine the Pentax aps-c format 16-50against the nikon equivalent 17-55 or the Canon 17-55. Both cost more and don't appear to perform as well from the tests.

However, the main thrust of my complaint has been lost, which is, I doubt the "superiority" of Nikon or Canon, which is appears to be a generally accepted truth.

I agree that these are subjective tests by PopPhoto, but then photographs are subjective, aren't they. And I don't think that PopPhoto can be accused of being "anti" Nikon, or for that matter "anti" Canon.

As far as using test data, if I can't glean anything from tests, then I would just have to buy one of everything to see if it was any good, so there's no point in anyone reviewing anything or me reading any reviews.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-18-2008, 11:59 AM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
"that it is regarded (together with the 14-24 f/2,8) as one of the best zoomlenses ever made".


From looking at these tests the Pentax lens appears to deliver better IQ than Nikon's 17-55 or 24-70 or Canon's 17-55. That's the only criteria I'm using. Not how complicated the lens is, or the size of the image circle it throws. Better image quality. Now granted, it's marginally better IQ, and any of these lenses would be great to have. But I can't see where the Nikon and Canon are, according to the conventional wisdom, "superior" or "best". And I guess that's my point. I'm not sure that conventional wisdom is as wise as it's purported to be, despite the fact that I was beginning to believe it.

As an aside, I'm not sure why people insist on not comparing apples and pears. I often compare apples to pears to oranges when buying produce. If the apples and oranges are rotten, I buy the pears. Why would only buy the least rotten apples? They're still rotten.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-18-2008, 11:11 AM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
Is that a new lens?

Still, compare the Pentax to the Nikon 17-55 and Canon 17-55. The Nikon and Canon are still hundreds more, and the Pentax still appears to be higher quality.

Canon 17-55

Nikon 17-55(DX format)
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-18-2008, 10:45 AM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
The RH devil had gotten to me. I had seriously started considering augmenting my Pentax gear and gradually transitioning to Canon or Nikon. I never doubted the quality of Pentax gear, although I'm still not entirely certain they're going to make it. I've just decided to not care, since neither I nor anyone else can predict the future. Back in the early '80s, no one would have predicted Canon would where they are now. Four years ago, Nikon was accused of "losing" the digital market. So, I'm sticking with Pentax gear, unless it starts getting trashy or until PENTAX or HOYA officially announce they're stopping operations, instead of listening to people who truly don't KNOW, and only vent a lot of meaningless air.

I regained my sanity before posting, but I had to rant a little bit.:D
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-18-2008, 10:42 AM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
Agreed. It's also a $1000 more and isn't any "superior" optically, despite what the myths say. I don't really care anything about FF, I was just doing a bit of research into what I might be getting for my money, when I look at Canon or Nikon. (Apparently I get nothing except a lighter wallet.) The DA* is a "Premium" lens, and so is the Nikon. The Canon and the Pentax are both "Consumer" lenses. In both cases Pentax appears to be able to create as good or better optics for less money.

Ignore the FF issue:

This is a more equivalent model. It tests even more poorly versus the Pentax than the 24-70, but in this case only costs $500 US more than the optically better Pentax lens. Granted the Pentax lens is only a little better, for the $500 saved.

Here's the similar Canon which also doesn't turn in test numbers as good as the Pentax, although again the difference is marginal. And the Canon is only about $300 more than the marginally better Pentax.

BTW: This isn't to say that these Nikons and Canons aren't "good" lenses, it's just that they don't appear to be "superior", except for the price.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-18-2008, 10:35 AM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
Unfortunately, this is something the markets don't hear often enough. It's something I was aware of, having both DA and DA* as well as M, A and Takumar lenses.

And speaking of the DA* 200

BTW: I'm not actually a shill for PP. I do think they're lab tests are pretty good, but sometimes you have to read between the lines of the editorial content. DPR, otoh astonished me when I re-read the Pentax K10D review, which complained loudly of image softness and made this a strike against the K10D. I had just finished reading the Nikon D200 review, and the reviewer noted but then dismissed the high level of image softness as typical/normal for a camera at that level.

Whhhhhaattt? I thought softness was bad.

Seriously, if you want I can post links. It isn't hard to find though.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-18-2008, 10:26 AM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
Well, I can find this same situation with other similar lenses.

This is the Pentax 55-300

This is the Canon 70-300 which is about $100 US more

Please note that here the Pentax lens tested considerably better in my opinion, and is still less expensive. At least the Nikon performed almost as well for the additional $1000 US.

I already knew Pentax made high-quality, super-value for the money equipment. I assumed that the Canon and Nikon folks were getting the same quality, they were just paying more for it. Now I'm not so sure that the quality is even the same, it looks like the price is just higher. The thing that steams me is that everything I read and hear basically says, "EVERYONE KNOWS" that it's a "FACT" that Canon or Nikon makes the "BEST" lenses and camera bodies. Who is everyone, and where did they get this universal knowledge?

And now I can go back to saving up the money to buy that PENTAX DA* 50-135. Oh, and a PENTAX K20D.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-18-2008, 09:01 AM  
Sorry, but I have to let off a little steam.
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 33
Views: 5,209
Okay, after all the Pentax financial position business, sky-falling nonsense, I have to confess, that I had decided not to invest anymore in Pentax and instead branch out and gradually switch to one of the two popular brands. I had managed to get about half of what I need saved towards a DA* 50-135, but figured well, I'll just take that money get started with a Nikon or a Canon. I always hear about how superior their gear is, and then I could gradually transition to the new system. Except when I started trying to pick something out, I'm convinced that the only thing superior about Canon or Nikon or the superiorly higher prices.

Tes of Pentax DA * 16-50 f2.8(about $700 US)

Test of Nikon 24-70 f2.8(about $1700 US)

What's important to note are the SQF tables. The Nikon fared only a little worse but it costs $1000 US more. How are Nikon lenses superior to Pentax?
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-06-2008, 05:39 AM  
Don't update to the 1.01 firmware! It breaks autofocus
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 45
Views: 8,654
I'm personally familiar with that. I think...:lol:
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 08-05-2008, 08:06 AM  
Don't update to the 1.01 firmware! It breaks autofocus
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 45
Views: 8,654
I'm not weighing in on whether the update breaks anything, but the dpr post has some of the exact same text(as in copy, paste) as the op's posts in this thread.
Note:

from this thread:
"However, I've now discovered something even more bizarr. When I switch on live view with the 16-50mm lens attached shake reduction now kicks into overdrive. It sounds just like the mirror cleaning phase at start-up, loud clunking, but it is continuous. I can see the live view image bouncing all over the place. Turning the shake reduction off with the switch on the back makes no difference. It still does the shake reduction overdrive. Turning the lens and body to MF also makes no difference."

from the thread you linked to on dpr:

"However, I've now discovered something even more bizarr. When I switch on live view with the 16-50mm lens attached shake reduction now kicks into overdrive. It sounds just like the mirror cleaning phase at start-up, loud clunking, but it is continuous. I can see the live view image bouncing all over the place. Turning the shake reduction off with the switch on the back makes no difference. It still does the shake reduction overdrive. Turning the lens and body to MF also makes no difference."


So it looks like the op posted his messages here and at dpr, or vice versa.

Or I suppose someone has been copying posts from one site to the other.
Forum: Photographic Technique 08-01-2008, 08:45 AM  
Where'd they go ?
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 10
Views: 3,285
It's still there. Just use www.cameralensrentals.com and strip off the path part("shop/") and page part("category.aspx?catid=15") from the request. Then navigate to the page you want. They have either been doing maintenance on the site or you've accidentally gotten a bad link. This is why I try to never bookmark a deep-link into a site. Unless it's marked as a permanent link, which you find on some sites.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-17-2008, 01:29 PM  
K100d vs K100d Super - what to do
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 28
Views: 3,307
I'm sure DR probably knocks off some of the dust, but usually when I notice that there is dust on the sensor, I run a couple of DR cycles, and then I have to get the blower bulb out and clean the sensor anyway, because there is still dust on it. To minimize having to do this, I just try to be careful what conditions I change lenses under, I try to change them as quickly as I can with a reasonable amount of care, I don't let lenses sit around without a rear lens cap on, I do clean my camera bags out from time to time, and I also try to keep the lenses and camera bodies clean. I thought that when I got the first camera I owned that had DR(Sony A100) I would never need to clean the sensor again. But I was wrong, and so when I switched systems to Pentax equipment last year, I didn't expect that DR would completely eliminate sensor cleanings, and I this time I was right. Don't get me wrong, it's not that big a problem to clean the sensor if you're reasonably careful, but it isn't something I enjoy either.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-14-2008, 06:13 AM  
Pentax on TV
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 4
Views: 2,095
That was just the thread title, I think.

My suggestion in the thread that I linked to was that Pentax should come up with a K200D kit with 18-250 + Paintshop, what they're selling on QVC is the K200D with 18-55+50-200 + Paintshop.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-14-2008, 05:53 AM  
Pentax on TV
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 4
Views: 2,095
Actually I just checked the QVC site out of curiosity, and sure enough, there is Pentax on the front page. It's a K200D kit, sure enough including the 18-55mm ALII, 50-200mm, the D-BG3 grip and Corel Paintshop Pro for $998 QVC price, and then take off $125 in rebates.

Hmmm...

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/29706-do-you-want-see-...tml#post269072

About halfway down I suggested a somewhat similar k200d kit. I don't know if they're listening to us or not(I doubt it, it's likely a coincidence), but it would be kewl like the other side of the pillow if they were.
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-14-2008, 05:27 AM  
Pentax on TV
Posted By brothereye
Replies: 4
Views: 2,095
Sort of. I was having trouble sleeping last night, and started channel surfing. I ended up on the QVC electronics show, and the announcer showed me a "coming up later" teaser for QVC's "first" DSLR offering. It turned out to be a Pentax K200D kit! I'm not sure if that's good or bad or neither. It just wasn't what I expected....
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