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Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 07-01-2016, 07:32 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
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Thanks! Again that mention of off colours in nature for Fuji... And I was thinking lack of IBIS and smallish battery were the compromises/showstoppers concerning Fuji...
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 06-08-2016, 10:50 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
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Seems mirrorless hasn't matured yet then, or at least one has to live with several trade-offs. Especially Fuji seemed interesting, but Where I live we have lot's of pine. And I don't like Minecraft. Would all Fujis be colourwise off on nature and foliage/pine because of some x-trans magic? Getting colours right is really important!

I do need to test. Switching a lot of dials, see if it feels cumbersome.

Also, Fuji doesn't have IBIS. Maybe not that important according to Fuji owners?

Looking forward to seeing what Pentax is releasing this year (some tomorrow it sems)!
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-30-2016, 09:00 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
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A Leica is more in the Porsche territory price wise! Not for my budget (which could stretch to K3 + extra lenses, or K1/Fuji XT-2 or Sony A7 iii with one prime and kit lens)

---------- Post added 05-30-16 at 09:26 AM ----------


Reading your advice - and many others here, I'm thinking of sticking with Pentax. Maybe the KS-2 (I can buy more lenses), maybe the K-3 ii, really liked the Pixel Shift motion correction in pp software option.

Battery seems to be a problem for now with all mirrorless, for many it's totally OK to remember a lot of spares. But I would prefer to forgo spares in every pocket...

EVFs are maturing. Only tried a Fuji from a few years back (can't recall exact model and year), found the EVF strange, a bit unreal. But looked briefly at a GX8, seemed better. Maybe it's an adaption thing.

Video is really low on my list, so that makes one less advantage for mirrorless.

After some input and thinking, wifi is not that important, or most implementations seem slow, liimited?

Articulated or tiltable screen though... Well, not imperative, but nice. Really.

Hyperprogram seems still to be a unique Pentax thing? Minolta might have had something similar...

Grip goes in favour of a DSLR (or a Sony A7).

Thanks for all the input!

---------- Post added 05-30-16 at 09:27 AM ----------


Will check up, thanks!
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 02:16 PM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
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Thanks for the feedback, especially the differences you see having used both Pentax and Sony A7. Would have thought senor cleaning would work best on systems with IBIS (ie. worst on Fuji), but there you see, experience counts! Camera choice isn't a religion for me at least, just not seeing that I have the money to invest in two sets of lens series!

---------- Post added 05-29-16 at 02:31 PM ----------


I don't have an extensive line of Pentax lenses, that's not my main point. But reading about camera tech and seeing sales numbers, not to say profits, I dare say there is a kind of struggle between mirrorless newcomers and Dslrs.

However, my question was about the ergonomics, the practical functionality that I have with a Pentax that mirrorless at present will not give me. Examples like battery life, like less distortion on certain lenses compared to m43 (new to me at least), like the difference between EVF and OVF (pros and cons), avoiding digging into menus.

And I need to evaluate if wifi is nice to have or need (in its current implementation on many systems it seems - e.g. Nikons brand new D500 wifi implementation seems also not to be a star performer on that front). Still would like a screen that is tiltable.

To sum it up, I guess I want something like the K-1, but with with slightly less weight!

---------- Post added 05-29-16 at 02:36 PM ----------


Really apreciate this. Will read more on the KS-2! And so great to hear about the K200d being used for a long time!

---------- Post added 05-29-16 at 02:38 PM ----------


So K-3 ii gets the same fix as the K-1 has for pixel shift! Thats awesome!
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 08:35 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
Views: 8,626
Rupert, I haven't jumped! In fact, posting here is to get some solid advice from Pentax users. Preferably ones who have dabbled with the mirrorless stuff too! I really want to get a clear idea of practical ergonomics etc that Is probably improved on newer Pentaxes. As I'm currently using an old sorcerer's camera marked "K10D" with a few battle scars, I get the feeling newer Pentaxes could be a great upgrade.

Mumble mumble, I don't need wifi (thinking more and more this is not well implented on any system?). Mumble mumble, I don't need articulated (still want that). Curious about the benefits of Pixel Shift, maybe that's gimmickry on K-3ii, but good on K-1?

I have time, not purchasing until late this year, just doing my research!

---------- Post added 05-29-16 at 08:47 AM ----------


Quite sure I haven't made a decision. Posting here to get feedback on stuff that Pentax has, like practicals like P-mode, good battery life.

AF in low light is a good point, thanks!

Also, picked up that M43 has distortion isues on RAW with wideangle. I always shoot RAW+jpeg, having to just use jpegs for wideangle seems a bit problematic.

So let me be undecided for the moment. No rush, I'll purchase later this year. :)
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 07:32 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
Views: 8,626
Thanks, I'm working up a list! Agree that reviews often skew results. E.g. for me, video is unimportant, but often Pentax reviews subtract for this "deficiency" (compared to Sony A6300 or A7ii). And I guess I have to look hard if Pentax usability (like hyper/P-mode) is more important than stuff like articulated screens, wifi.

---------- Post added 05-29-16 at 07:41 AM ----------


Yes, maybe wifi is more in the gimmick department at present? Have read that quite a few impementations on different systems seem buggy, slow and jpeg only. Like my eyefi card - well probably better than that! I would want fast transfers, RAW files. But not really there yet on any camera?

The K-1 has a novel and seemingly sturdy construction for the display (the lifting by the display videos and pictures).

Guess I need to prioritize that list. Maybe articulated display is in the nice to have column, not the need to have...
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 07:25 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
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Guessing, the replacement to K-3ii is probably not until 2017. Looking at past release schedules. So I might not wait a year, maybe look into K-3ii again. Anybody recommend the Flucard or Eyefi, or are they really clunky add-ons with a bunch of limitations.

Wifi on the KS2 didn't test out that great on Imaging Resource, but it might be the Prntax iPhone app is better than the Android app, or that they have been updated?
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 07:05 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
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Bm75, thanks for the input! I know for some we shouldn't talk about switching, but I would venture many consider from time to time! I'm quite sure so called mirrorless top performers are good. And maybe for some things than others, like you say m43 for weight and Sony E-mount for adapters (but totally manual for Pentax, and I'm guessing APS-C lenses won't work). Personally I would probably not want two systems, but I see many have.

Besides battery, anything else practical/ergonomics that would be sorely missed?

---------- Post added 05-29-16 at 07:11 AM ----------



Kerrowdown, now that's an impressive lens collection! :)
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 06:49 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
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Kerowdown, now that's a dealbreaker! Best to have a camera with mirrors then!
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 06:10 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
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Heie, OK OK! I'll read up on the little one! Quality is probably way better than my ancient "Civic" (in fact, my first car...), but isn't the ergonomics quite similar?

---------- Post added 05-29-16 at 06:22 AM ----------

Na Horuk, not the KS-1? With the lights?

Done a lot of camerasize comparisons, and Pentax lenses, well, some primes are really small. If m43 often means zooms instead of primes, size advantage isn't that much of a factor.

Releasing a camera without Wifi in 2015 like the K-3ii is for me a mayor omission, and also not having some degree of movable display. Beside that a great camera! Just a tad disappointed about these omissions. Why do it on the KS2, but leave it out on the K-3ii? Different production team?
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 06:07 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
Views: 8,626
Thazooo, jmhsnk, thanks! Great points about m43, does seem more small zooms than primes.

Read about shutter shock, seemed to hit the GX8, will look more into that for Olympus too.

Battery life seems problematic, for some it's ok to carry a few around, I do like not having to. Didn't need to earlier. Now I do as the K10d batteries are aging, that's natural.

Personally I would want most used features easily accessible, not having to use menus (so Pentax and Fuji score well here).

I would hopefully get a camera shop to do a little "test clinic" with me if they allow, trying out. Totally agree that trying is better than reading.

And I'll revisit the KS2! What I'll forgo is 4 mpixels, top lcd, astrotracer (probably not important for me) and gps (though it's a module option).

Thanks!
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 05:51 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
Views: 8,626
I guess I'm asking if the grass is really greener on the other side! I only know my Pentax, and have a hunch I will miss some things if going mirrorless.

Now, the K-1 seems "perfect", I totally agree, except for the 1 kg body weight. I really hope it sells well!

The K-3 is a bit lacking, so skipping that one at least. As I don't buy cameras every few years (yet), I'm hoping for a successor, with K1-1 features. Difficult to try out a Pentax in Oslo, except holding one in a store for some minutes. K-2S seems like a mid-level compromise, getting a bit old. Again, had I switched often, I could consider it. Since I'm going for the top level I really would either wait for a next level Pentax APS-C or switch.

I would believe most top mirrorless cameras are good. But what is ergonically really different? Like with Sony, is changing focus point really easy? Yes, I have googled a bit, but sometimes peer (or pro) advice is better?
Forum: Pentax DSLR Discussion 05-29-2016, 04:44 AM  
What would I loose if I switched from Pentax DSLR (K10D) to mirrorless?
Posted By ularula
Replies: 133
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I will buy a new camera this year, maybe a Pentax K-3ii successor, or maybe a mirrorless. The K-1 is just too big for me, though the same feature set in an APS-C body.... Mirrorless canditates are the M43 Lumix GX8, Fuji X-Pro2 or X-T2 (rumoured), or even Sony A7 iii (rumoured). I will not have several camera systems, not for me. I'm just a hobby photograper.

My question is what functionality that I am used to will I miss or need to adapt to? Would love to hear from Pentax users who know both Pentax and my MILC candidates.

K-3 ii lacks Wifi (no the Flucard is not good enough IMO) and an articulated screen.

I find that reviews are seldom comparative, usually just spinning out specs, with little balance. Some, like Imaging Resource, knows Pentax and can present pros and cons. I'm guessing these are things I might miss:
  • Hypermode with easy access to aperture and speed
    Grip
    Battery life
    Shake reduction / Ibis (missing on the Fuji)
    Optical viewfinder
    Build quality? My k10d is ten years old, with only one mode not selectable (which I never use). Maybe SR is faulty too. But it's been around, and l worry that other MILC cameras are not as sturdy?
    Weather sealing?

P/

Realively easy access to focus point also? With K10d I first switch to selective focus, then use the 4-way. Anything more difficult involving menus is out of the question. Would love that just by using the 4-way I would automatically get selective focus point.

I would of course have to sell lenses, not a fan of using adapters. This last point makes it hard switching! But maybe newer lens systems like m43, x or e-mount are more quiet and faster... Regarding lenses, is Pentax forgetting APS-C lenses now?

Newer top Pentaxes have dual cards, not sure if that's just nice to have or need...

As my SR seems a bit faulty, I've turned it off. Does impact low light shooting, but not daylight. Over on DPreview it seems Fuji owners are certain those that like SR /IBIS have limited skills, difficult to get a clear idea if Fujis are so much better than my K10d in low light that I wouldn't miss this?

Weather sealing seems to be another difference. I'm guessing that there is a difference between "splash and dust resistant" like the Sony and Pentax which really is well sealed (the Fuji seems also quite tough weather wise). I'm not often a jungle photographer, but would like to go on holidays to tropical destinations without being worried about damage!

So any balanced advice is greatly appreciated! And fed up about reading, just go out and take photos line. I'm using my old K10d, some practical advice from fellow Pentax photographers who have experience from mirrorless too would be great!
Forum: Welcomes and Introductions 04-21-2016, 01:39 PM  
Hi from Oslo, Norway
Posted By ularula
Replies: 6
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Thanks for the nice feedback! Love many of the details of the impressive K-1, but no chance I'll go for the extra weight. So either K-3 ii to get a real boost in pixels and power, or live nicely with my ancient K10d until next years K-whatever (they seem to have run out of single digits...).

Compared my K10d which is more or less identical in weight to the K-3/K-3 ii with a Fuji X-Pro at my local photo store again today. Holding them, not really much of a difference with a lens on it seems. Though I probably cheated with the 35mm on my K10d... And the DSLR body looks "fatter" than the rangefinder.
Forum: Welcomes and Introductions 04-18-2016, 10:36 PM  
Hi from Oslo, Norway
Posted By ularula
Replies: 6
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Hi! I'm a Pentax user since 2006, still use my K10D. In fact, rediscovered it a bit after some years lesser use. Looking at the K-3 ii, but would love wifi and articulated touch screen!
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