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Forum: General Talk 6 Days Ago  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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It is not so. Italy WHO did not consider the asymptomatic swab strategy harmful. His indications were contrary because he worried about the homogeneity of the data criteria. But this strategy is a loser. He also delayed in declaring a pandemic. When he did it in Italy we were in full emergency. Didn't you notice what was happening in the East? Perhaps economic interests have influenced his choices too much.

As for the states, you're right. All states of any political color have been very rough and incompetent. After all, people too. See the beginning of this topic; many did not believe. The same happened in Italy at the beginning in other forums. Sin
Forum: General Talk 6 Days Ago  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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a study in Italy has shown up to 70%. I talked about some posts back. A small country of 3000 people has been isolated and all tests have been done. The sample is small but very reliable.
Forum: General Talk 6 Days Ago  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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hello pentaxiani, I always write from Italy. Things are getting better after three weeks of isolation, (in some small areas) it's five weeks. We still have many deaths but in decline. I repeat not to look at the infected, they depend only on the number of tests and tests for all it is not possible to do them. However, quarantine conditions have been extended for another two weeks today. They will be tough for those who don't work. And the problem will be how to start again. Many rapid tests must be ready to find symptomatic and especially non-symptomatic infections. There is talk of apps that identify people as in China and Korea. Very bad but I still don't see many alternatives. After a month there can be many social problems. Hold on in the USA and other countries. Everyone underestimated, even those who wrote at the beginning of the topic. Now we must look ahead. Until next time. Good luck.

I forgot. Forget about WHO, in Italy they have done very badly. It was they who should have advised better, they waited and at the beginning helped to minimize. It is long and difficult to explain in English, and then what good is it. Use your head, but be wary of the experts. Compare more experts. Not everyone says the same things.
Forum: General Talk 03-29-2020, 02:38 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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You certainly cannot be happy about being controlled full time. Absolutely not. But I don't see many alternatives to restart once the epidemic is reduced. Our grandparents died fighting in a very heinous way. The sacrifice we are asked for is not like theirs. And if there are alternatives of equal logical efficacy, I listen willingly.
Forum: General Talk 03-28-2020, 05:14 PM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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Reading the data leads nowhere. The data are never homogeneous between regional states and nations. It is not possible to know the denominator of the infections. However, it was interesting to study a small country in Italy, 3300 people who was completely isolated. Test for everyone at the beginning and at the end.
Studies and swabs have been made on all. It turned out that 3% were infected. Of these, 70% were asymptomatic. The dangers are asymptomatic. if it had not been quarantined it was assumed that after two weeks it would have gone from 3% to 20%.
Making as many swabs as possible in places of greatest contact, hospitals, shop assistants, etc ... isolating the infected is very important. If you are at home with someone infected, the whole family gets infected. They must be in divided rooms, divided bathrooms, etc ... infected because the cure rate in infected patients, if isolated, was only 8 days in 60% of cases. The name of the country in Italy is Vo Euganeo. If you want you can look for something. good luck.
Forum: General Talk 03-26-2020, 06:02 PM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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Hi Pentaxiani, greetings from Italy. You wrote enough after the first post. You're a couple of weeks behind Italy, I'm sorry that at the beginning of the topic it was underestimated. I have been at home for three weeks now, more or less all the nations are taking the usual measures. Personally for a while I have passed the phase of the disease, how many tests, how many deaths, mortality rate, lethality, etc. Slowly, even those who still think of a normal influence and only time will get there. The real problem will be how long we can last. The dead will be many, but when one is hungry, even if injured, he will want to eat. And if many people are hungry, the problem is very serious. Good continuation and good luck to all. Until next time
Forum: General Talk 03-20-2020, 07:34 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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Remember for me...


Hello Pentaxian greetings from Italy. I tried but it's too late for you too. The most intelligent will understand that the problem will not be the dead, and there will be many, but what how democracies will succeed (if they succeed) in having the same effectiveness that there has been in the Chinese regime to keep millions of people segregated. In Italy the virus has affected many people with other diseases, but not only.the weaker people die more easily but it is not nice that 10% do 15 days intubated. And if there are no respirators, they too will die.

The problem is the therapies that the virus requires that in all states they are insufficient (respirators and intubations). The doctor must therefore choose you and yes when the system is in tilt. And 'the system is early to go haywire. So young or old is true only in the first phase. in phase two it happens to everyone, war medicine.

the few images that come from the hospitals (I'm sorry they are in Italian and you don't understand) are really very bad about the situation.
Forum: General Talk 03-17-2020, 03:52 PM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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If you want, he will tell you what is happening here in Italy. More or less everyone will have the same experience. We started before you, but after the Chinese. We have not learned from the Chinese and you are repeating our own mistakes.

but the best were in Korea. Many tampons is the best tactic, especially in the initial phase. It allows to identify and isolate.
Forum: General Talk 03-17-2020, 03:44 PM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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maybe I misunderstood, I apologize. I have language problems. However, my opinion remains that it is better for public opinion that there is more fear than lightness. The rules of isolation are better respected to reduce contacts as much as possible.
Forum: General Talk 03-17-2020, 03:39 PM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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I try to insert an article in an Italian newspaper that explains the logic of the enemy virus. I can't translate it, I hope your google translate can do it.


title: Coronavirus, the math of contagion that helps us reason in the midst of chaos
Contagi da Coronavirus, quante persone pu contagiare un infetto - Corriere.it
Forum: General Talk 03-17-2020, 03:28 PM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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I note with regret that many states are still lagging behind in understanding the seriousness of the problem and taking the right measures. I read in the topic the same trend that was anticipated in my part. Some are worried, others still laughing and joking. Another week or two and many will start writing to others about staying at home. But I'm not a magician. Too bad it's not a sliding doors. Strength and courage will be hard times before others even worse.
Forum: General Talk 03-14-2020, 04:52 PM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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I have difficulty with translation but I would like to highlight one thing. I read of panic; panic is irrational. We have to use logic and that's just what our rulers have to use and what we need to understand. In war, or in competitions, you have to study and know your enemy and your opponent. The virus has its own strength in rapid spread, and very fast. It feeds with contacts. The contacts are his gasoline. I can't win a 100-meter race against a car, but I'm sure I'll win a 1000km race because it will run out of gasoline if it's not added. I have to be patient and not hurt in traveling those 1000 km. Everyone is worried about the 100 meters want to compete and challenge where you can't win. It is not only the individual life that depends, it also depends on the life of the entire community. I have seen that now France, the USA and Spain have also changed their attitude. It will be very hard because the road is very long and full of so many difficulties. He had to leave earlier, now the car already has a lot of gasoline. Only UK has so far chosen the wrong path. I hope changes, the more gasoline you put in the car the longer the road and many will get hurt. It's just fools for me. A general who does not know his own strength and does not know the weaknesses of the enemy, is a bad general. Send your soldiers to die without having a winning strategy.
Forum: General Talk 03-13-2020, 05:33 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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this is what will happen. It is a certainty, not a probability. Look at China, Korea, Italy and others. The tornado. The earlier you start isolation the sooner you finish and it will be less strong. It will soon be very strong and uncontrollable.
Forum: General Talk 03-13-2020, 05:25 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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I repeat that this discussion must be public. We have to try to do something. Can you imagine the social and economic consequences if USA, France, Germany, stuck for a month with all the people who have to stay at home without working?

China was able to do this because it has a political structure and economic strength different from our democracies. Here will be chaos. The history of the old epidemics says so.



we have the opportunity to exchange information, between states, not political opinions.
Forum: General Talk 03-13-2020, 05:22 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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I love democracy, but it is not adequate to respond quickly to this problem. Too many conflicting interests. If you continue to ignore it will not be my opinion looking at what happens in the world, it will be a consequence of our choices. It is only logical, not political.

many do not even notice that they have it, they are without any symptoms, and without any personal consequence, but they contribute to spreading it.
Forum: General Talk 03-13-2020, 05:18 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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Qui i numeri dei test effettuati, sono fondamentali per capire i dati.

(Here the numbers of the tests carried out are fundamental for understanding the data)

Coronavirus Testing Criteria and Numbers by Country - Worldometer
Forum: General Talk 03-13-2020, 05:08 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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the first is wrong.
If there is no total isolation everyone, or almost everyone, will be exposed to the disease.

many will not have consequences for the disease, but the system will collapse for the high number of those who will have consequences. Few percentage cases on very high numbers are equally many, indeed too many.

---------- Post added 03-13-20 at 05:14 AM ----------

don't be fooled by the numbers. If they do not test, they are not infected. Whoever did the most tests at the beginning fought better.
Forum: General Talk 03-13-2020, 05:01 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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The question is not whether there will be a tornado. The question is how much damage the tornado will do because the tornado will be there for sure. However, we do have a chance to check the back with isolation. If we isolate ourselves, the tornado will be a simple wind. If we don't isolate ourselves it will be a disaster like so many atomic bombs. The only way is total isolation for about two weeks. I repeat the problem is not the mortality rate but the expansion capacity that becomes uncontrollable. In Korea they intervened quickly with many tests and isolations and controlled expansion. Many initial infections because they did so many tests. But then few deaths because they isolated the infected. Not doing the tests is a biological bomb because it spreads without control and even with a low mortality rate, the infected can be hundreds of thousands. The biggest danger is underestimation. Sooner or later everyone must resort to the mandatory isolation measures that affect our personal freedom, but it is absolutely necessary although difficult for our democracies to understand.

it is not possibility, it is certainty. The problem is not the contagion of the individual but the contagion of all. It is very sneaky.


however in france, spain and germany it is already late. it will soon be in the united states too. a few days and you will see.

The same mistakes made by Italy were made, they wanted to close their eyes and bought the lottery ticket. But it wasn't the winning one.
Forum: General Talk 03-11-2020, 06:02 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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I still can't believe what's going on. I see meetings and demonstrations of people still all close without any precaution in Spain and France. It is pure madness. Look at the contagions that increase exponentially.
Forum: General Talk 03-09-2020, 11:00 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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I insist that the problem has been underestimated by all and when it becomes clear that it is too late. Apply the principle of maximum prudence. Experts bow to economic interests. Not everybody. Here in Italy the first infection was discovered about 20 days ago. Yesterday the country's most productive region was isolated, and one of the most productive in Europe. They are 15 million people. health system is an excellence. But he can't stand the numbers that rise too fast, and he's jumping. I repeat it is not a mortality problem. If a hospital can cure 10 wounded per day, but not ten thousand. the virus has an average incubation of two weeks. People who are apparently healthy are already spreading exponentially.

In modern democracies it will not be possible to have respect for the rules as in dictatorships. Prevention is better than cure, afterwards it will be late. Nations that hide numbers or underestimate cannot do it forever. The data break out all the same, you cannot ignore the sick when there are many. There's no need to argue about this. I don't want to be right.
In fifteen days you will see that what I say happens. Just wait. I will not be happy to have been right. But it will be late for many and the dangers are enormous on a global level due to the economic and social consequences. I live in Tuscany, I am 700 km from Lombardy. We only have 100 cases, no deaths. Schools, museums and courts have been closed, to try only to slow down the contagion that cannot be stopped. People are asked not to go out. Don't make the mistakes of our rulers. It will be a catastrophe. many laughed before, now they are worried.

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I ask administrators to pay close attention to the topic to highlight it. I'm not crazy. I'm just trying to do something. What will happen on a global economic level will be worse than a war.
Forum: General Talk 03-09-2020, 09:52 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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True, but this is precisely the error of underestimation. Here he sends the system on tilt. Patients spread very quickly and occupy places for other diseases. If you do an accident you cannot be cured, if you have a heart attack, you cannot be cured, and many other diseases. The doctors themselves become infected and cannot work. I repeat, do not underestimate the virus, in China they were not stupid, do not make the same mistakes that have been made in Europe. It is very misleading. There is still no cure and vaccine and it is also transmitted by people who have no symptoms, apparently they are well.



https://www.arte.tv/it/videos/095527-000-A/coronavirus-diario-della-quarante...9aKPjVJSsd4KIs
Forum: General Talk 03-09-2020, 05:40 AM  
Coronavirus
Posted By nonpigliounoshoot
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Unfortunately I have to rely on google translate to try to pay attention to the users of the community to take the utmost precautions against coronavirus. In Italy and in Europe the consequences were underestimated and they pretended not to see its danger in China. Its greatest danger is the rapid spread that threatens to undermine the health systems of the countries. In most cases the consequences are minimal, but this is very subtle, because the few who have health problems become many because it spreads quickly. Get informed and pay close attention. We can exchange information from individual countries, we try to exploit the advantages of IT in a constructive way.Two weeks were enough to change the way of life of millions of people


---------- Post added 03-09-20 at 05:53 AM ----------

some useful links:

1) world situation


Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

Coronavirus Update (Live): 111,489 Cases and 3,883 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

What Is Coronavirus: Mapping the Pneumonia-Like Respiratory Illness in China, Globally
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Im in. Happy new year.
Forum: Post Your Photos! 12-30-2019, 09:14 AM  
Nature Looking back to the K-3
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Nice colours, congrats.
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Nature Colonel Young tree
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Nice pov, good bw. Nice shoot.
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