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HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR

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HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR

HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR
HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR
HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR
HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR
HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR

The HD PENTAX-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM AW zoom lens was announced in September 2015 as the third zoom lens developed with the Pentax full frame DSLR in mind.

On a full frame the field of view covers a very useful range from ultra wide angle to short tele. The lens can also be used on DSLRs with an APS-C size sensor; here the field of view goes from moderate wide angle to telephoto.

The lens features rounded diaphragm blades for smooth Bokeh and it has a number of seals making it weather resistant. Other features are Quick Shift and a zoom lock button intended to prevent the zoom from extending when pointed downwards.

The lens has a built-in SDM (Supersonic Direct-drive motor) autofocus motor and no provision for screw drive autofocus. Autofocus is thus neither possible with the K100D/K110D or *istD series cameras nor with film SLR cameras. As per RICOH the SDM autofocus motor is of a new generation. Hopefully this means that it is more reliable than the SDM motors introduced back in 2007.

The lens is essentially a rebadged Tamron SP 24-70mm F2.8 Di VC USD lens from 2013 with the in-lens stabilization mechanism removed.

HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR
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Image Format
Full-frame / 35mm film
Lens Mount
Pentax K
Aperture Ring
Automatic, 9 blades (rounded)
17 elements, 12 groups
Mount Variant
Check camera compatibility
Max. Aperture
Min. Aperture
AF (in-lens motor)
Min. Focus
38 cm
Max. Magnification
Filter Size
82 mm
Internal Focus
Field of View (Diag. / Horiz.)

APS-C: 61 to 23 ° / 53 to 19.5 °
Full frame: 84 to 34.5 ° / 74 to 29 °
Lens Cap
Weather Sealing
Yes (WR)
Other Features
Zoom Lock
Diam x Length
88.5 x 109.5 mm (3.5 x 4.3 in.)
787 g (27.8 oz.)
Production Years
2015 to present (in production)
$1126 USD current price
$1299 USD at launch
Engraved Name
HD PENTAX-D FA 1:2.8 24-70mm ED SDM WR
User reviews
In-depth review
One anomalous-dispersion-glass aspherical element, three aspherical elements and three ED elements.
No autofocus on older bodies (*istD series, K100D, K110D, and film).

Supersonic AutofocusQuick ShiftWeather SealedInternal FocusingAutomatic ApertureFull-Frame Support
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Registered: January, 2011
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 3,205
Lens Review Date: January 10, 2020 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,200.00 | Rating: 9 

Pros: fast focusing, sharp, silent, WR
Cons: weight
Sharpness: 10    Aberrations: 10    Bokeh: 10    Autofocus: 9    Handling: 8    Value: 9    New or Used: New    Camera Used: K-1   

Overall : All the reviews said is true : the lens is fast to focus, silent, very sharp from wide open to stopped down, color rendition is very good and stable as you stop down, BUT the lens is a bit heavy.
On the weight side : basicaly a K1+24-70 very much feels like a bigger k3II + 16-50.

Details :
- Sharpness : the lens is sharp. At f2.8 be it 24mm, 40, 50, 70, if you take a portrait, you'll see the skin port of the subject.
wide open : The sharpness is very good on the 2/3 of the frame, with a transition to less sharp for the corner. To be honest, i'm a bit picky with this kind of thing, and the lens does a very good job. transition is very subtle.
stopped down : it's really sharp, but then every lens is good at f8 nowadays.

-Aberration : coming from the 16-50, i have to say the 24-70 is another league. No aberrations so far. And i shot in high contrast scene most of the time : outdoor wth sun and shade in the frame almost every time.

- Bokeh : This one is smooth, good transition from sharp to blur. Very different from the Sigma's one for instance. Pretty much in the style of the DA*55.

- Autofocus : It's fast. and i don't mean "quick" i really mean fast. Nothing to envy to the Canon or Nikon world for instance. It's even better on the K-1 II. Compared to the 16-50 i can say it's really faster. Day and night. Faster and more precise than the Tamron 70-200/2.8 that is quite fast.
I shoot rock climbing wich implies lots and lots of micro-movements from climbers, and now i don't have the problem of misfocused frame between small moves, or during big movements, swings and stuff like that.

- Handling : Handling is normal. nothing special to say. The lens is well balanced on the K1, no front or back heavy when mounted.
I like the "Lock" switch for transport.
When reversed, the hood prevents you from using the lens, so i mount it every time.

- Value : If you need a workhorse, something that does the job well, is reliable, with no quirks or suprises, that will last 10 years, that's the lens you need. it's a workhorse, plain and simple.

There is cheaper alternatives, of course, and if you're not confortable spending 1K $ (new) or 700$ (second hand), that's perfectly fine, take another lens. If you're Ok with the idea of spending that much, and just want something that will work for a long time, then, that's the lens you need.
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Registered: September, 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 156
Lens Review Date: December 30, 2019 I can recommend this lens: No | Price: $599.00 | Rating: 7 

Pros: Really sharp
Cons: focusing speed, inability to lock
Sharpness: 10    Aberrations: 10    Bokeh: 9    Autofocus: 5    Handling: 6    Value: 5    New or Used: Used    Camera Used: K-3   

Ugh, I so wanted to love this lens, but sadly it makes me alternate between it and the DA* 16-50 it was suppose to replace. I both this lens hoping it was the big move to a 15-80 range quality lens for Pentax. And it sure is big - Pentax has shed its reputation on trying to squeeze quality from small lens bodies, much like the industry in general, and try to ram into us that bigger and heavier is better.

There is no quibble or qualm about this lens being sharp. Its like a prime, no wait, better than one when it is locked on, and it is great on image quality.

I just wish it wasn't so dang slow.

Look, I have the DFA* 70-200, and the FA*85, as well as a number of other fast Pentax lenses. There is a reason this lens didn't get a * or a gold ring, and the one I have is slow, and has trouble at times locking in. For the price these are new, I want something that is quicker than the 16-50, but sometimes I feel this may be slower.
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Registered: May, 2019
Location: Roma
Posts: 10
Lens Review Date: October 2, 2019 I can recommend this lens: No | Price: $850.00 | Rating: 10 

Pros: Colori splendidi senza Flare ottimo contrasto
Cons: <il peso
Sharpness: 10    Aberrations: 10    Bokeh: 10    Autofocus: 10    Handling: 10    Value: 10    New or Used: New    Camera Used: &lt;pentax K1   

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Registered: May, 2014
Posts: 1
Lens Review Date: October 11, 2017 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,000.00 | Rating: 10 

Pros: very high quality
Cons: very high weight
Sharpness: 10    Aberrations: 9    Bokeh: 9    Autofocus: 9    Handling: 8    Value: 8    New or Used: Used    Camera Used: K-3   

I am very enthusiastic about this zoom. It replaces my Sigma 17-70 and suggests this by lengths. No AF adjustment is necessary. Simply attach to the K-3 and take pictures. This is often not the case with sigma lenses.The AF speed is fast enough to make action photos of my dog. I like this lens.

Registered: July, 2011
Posts: 1,536

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Lens Review Date: September 16, 2017 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: N/A | Rating: 8 

Pros: Fullframe, Pentax branding/features
Cons: flare, filter size
Sharpness: 9    Aberrations: 7    Bokeh: 7    Autofocus: 9    Handling: 8    Value: 8    New or Used: New    Camera Used: K1   

The only available standard zoom for FF in Pentax land. All rings move in Pentax direction, weather sealing and design talen from Pentax - which is all nice. Sharpness is nice overall.

Performance is fine based on price and features. Filter thread is huge with 82mm, flare is not well controlled, sharpness is fine, but differs for changing focal lengths. AF fine adjustment is not consistent, you need to define the least problematic one for your work. Heida polarizer system starts vignetting at shorter focal length - not Pentax' probem, but still not nice. My go anywhere lens due to the lack of FF lenses in Pentax land.
Will sell as soon as decent new primes become available.
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Registered: September, 2014
Location: Singapore
Posts: 76

2 users found this helpful
Lens Review Date: July 11, 2017 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: N/A | Rating: 8 

Pros: Sharp, faster focus, weather sealed.
Cons: Heavy, focus hunting at low light, vignetting.
Sharpness: 8    Aberrations: 8    Bokeh: 8    Autofocus: 7    Handling: 7    Value: 9    New or Used: New    Camera Used: Pentax K-1   

Its a re-badged Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 for Pentax mount.

It gains:

a. Weather sealing instead of moisture resistance.
b. Proprietary Pentax HD coatings.

It loses:

a. Image stabilization (Not needed as Pentax has IBIS)
b. Price advantage.
c. 1 year limited warranty compared to 6- year warranty on Nikon/Canon/Sony mounts.


1. Sharp enough for Pentax K-1.
2. Weather sealed, so no need to worry when going on a hike.
3. Decently fast focusing.
4. Very useful all general purpose range of 24-70.


1. Heavy, makes for a heavy kit with Pentax K-1.
2. Flimsy lens hood compared to Sigma ART.
3. Zoom rings focus rings not as sooth as Sigma ART.
4. Cheap quality lens cover. Sigma ART ships with high quality lens cover.

Scope of improvement:

1. Pentax can learn from Sigma ART and ship good quality hood and lens cover.
2. Zoom and Focus ring smoothness can definitely be improved.
3. Could be priced lower. It doesn't have Image stabilization and 6 years warranty but still ends up being more expensive than native Tamron for other mounts.

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Registered: July, 2014
Location: Tenryu
Posts: 29

2 users found this helpful
Lens Review Date: March 18, 2017 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,200.00 | Rating: 9 

Pros: detail, sharpness
Sharpness: 10    Aberrations: 8    Bokeh: 9    Autofocus: 8    Handling: 9    Value: 9    New or Used: New    Camera Used: K-3   

I've shot a wedding, night concert, conferences, and now a graduation with this lens. I can say that when the image is in focus, it's extremely sharp. For the graduation photos here in Japan, I had to tone down the clarity in Lightroom because I got every single pore and skin flaw every girl had. The night photos came out great and had very nice character to them. For the conference photos, I've been torn between this lens and my Sigma Art 18-35. The Art has a 1.8 aperture and renders beautiful image quality, but is in need of calibration for front and back focusing. The Pentax has a more accurate autofocus plus the longer reach so it tens to be on my camera more often.
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Registered: January, 2014
Location: St Petersburg
Posts: 387

1 user found this helpful
Lens Review Date: March 15, 2017 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,100.00 | Rating: 10 

Pros: Handling, Sats, No Backfocus, Qshift, No Wobble
Cons: Wish it was an IF

Extensively tested with LensCal and Yves' calibrators. At both ends of zoom range and using LensCal stand offs and Yves' lengths, and a close up test, all were dead zero +- .3. Tight and crisp. Unexpectedly good. My DA* 16-35 wasn't even close, in performance at same Focal lengths and especially not in build...

Colors, sats, MF in the field also Exceptional, nearly as good as the 16-50 (which was stellar). For my hands, handles better than DA*16-50 in size and smoothness...

Nicely Done Tamron .... OOPS Pentax contractor !

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Registered: November, 2016
Posts: 72
Lens Review Date: January 9, 2017 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,149.00 | Rating: 9 

Pros: Solid build 82mm filter pulls in lots of light
Cons: Focus accuracy sometimes off
Sharpness: 8    Aberrations: 8    Bokeh: 9    Autofocus: 7    Handling: 9    Value: 9    New or Used: New    Camera Used: K-1   

Nice solid build, feels like a pro lens. Autofocus is fast and quiet but not always accurate particularly with AF-C. Reasonably sharp at f/2.8 when focus is on, quite sharp by f/4. Has a nice bokeh and is a good walk around zoom which balances well on the K-1 body.


Registered: November, 2007
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Posts: 541
Lens Review Date: December 28, 2016 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,300.00 | Rating: 8 

Pros: IQ in the center
Cons: IQ in the edges
Sharpness: 8    Aberrations: 7    Bokeh: 8    Autofocus: 8    Handling: 8    Value: 7    New or Used: New    Camera Used: K-1   

Have been using this lens on the K-1 for some 8 months now. Build quality still appears good, no signs of wear or problems so far. Solid construction. AF very quiet, locks focus promptly and reasonably fast. Image quality is a bit of a mixed bag. In the center rendering and sharpness are very good already wide open. Stopped down excellent. However, edges remain softer even stopped down. There is also a fair amount of vignetting at large apertures. This can of course be corrected in pp but having to do it all too often is definitely an annoyance. Occasionally there has been a bit of purple fringing in the corners in the wide end at large apertures.
With better sharpness in the edges I would have rated this for a 10.
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Registered: June, 2013
Location: Nevada, USA
Posts: 3,346

2 users found this helpful
Lens Review Date: November 16, 2016 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: N/A | Rating: 8 

Pros: Almost prime-like IQ esp. in the center, fast focusing
Cons: Huge and heavy.
Sharpness: 8    Aberrations: 7    Bokeh: 6    Autofocus: 9    Handling: 10    Value: 8    New or Used: New    Camera Used: K-1   

I have been photographing my kid's Walk-A-Thon fundraiser at school for the past few years. Most of the shots were action oriented, like kids running towards me and hamming it up for the camera by doing cartwheels. I also photographed stationary kids just posing in groups or with their friends. Making a photo album takes me about a month. The album is mostly filled with 4" x 6" prints but it also has a healthy amount of 6" x 8", 8" x 10", 8" x 12", 16" x 9", and a few murals/posters that have a 24" edge. My biggest print was 65" x 24" of the entire school.

In 2016 I photographed the event with this lens mounted on a K-1. Focusing mode was set to AF-C and the focus points was set to SEL9. The lens focused very quickly when commanded by the K-1. I did not experience too much difficulty with the K-1 locking onto a kid running toward me. Sometimes the K-1 would get confused and focus on a neighboring kid about to pass my subject but I think any camera would experience the same difficulty in this case. Focusing on stationary subjects is easy-peasy for this lens. Focus noise is very low. It's like a breathy whisper.

I needed some depth of field so I shot at f/6.3 for the most part. Sometimes I opened to f/4 and sometimes I closed down to f/8. Image quality in the center is excellent and I would even say the quality is prime-like to borrow a phrase from the forum. The corners and edges start to soften up a bit, even at f/8, but it is only evident in big prints. The school shot I mentioned earlier that was printed at 65" x 24" is a good example. A print that big really stressed the lens. Softness was is evident but it's not horrible. It's noticeable when examining the image at 6" to 8" viewing distance - just like pixel peeping. I took the shot at 27mm and f/8. Perhaps I could have zoomed out to 24mm and crop more. The 36 MP sensor would still have plenty of resolution. Prints like 8" x 12" are no problem for this lens. I would say a bigger 16" x 24" is also excellent especially if you are taking portraits. The edges and corners should be filled with soft creamy bokeh so corner sharpness is less critical.

Colors from this lens on a K-1 are punchy, saturated, and vivid. This is a huge difference compared to the sterile rendering I get with my u4/3 lenses. Those images need to be livened up.

Ergonomics of this lens are very good. I mean, there's only a zoom ring to worry about. What can go wrong? The lens is huge which is a blessing and a curse. Big lenses make for easy grabbing but they are heavy. A K-1 with a battery grip, an external flash, and this lens is ridiculously heavy. Mount this lens on a tiny K-S2 and the result is a cartoonish looking setup. I think this is pretty typical for any 24-70mm f/2.8 lens.

The WR seals work well. I have taken my K-1 with this lens to the local hot springs. The lens was splashed on and splattered with water. Water did not leak into the lens.

I don't think you can call this lens a stack of primes. Pixel peeping the edges will quickly tell you have a zoom lens ... a damn good one though. If you had a choice between buying some FA Limited lenses and this zoom then get this zoom for the versatility. My only wish is that it could be lighter - not necessarily smaller. Walking around with this beast can wear you out.

This lens definitely borders on excellent.
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Registered: January, 2016
Location: between Toulouse and Pyrenees Mountains
Posts: 2

1 user found this helpful
Lens Review Date: August 23, 2016 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,473.36 | Rating: 10 

Pros: sharp et fast
Cons: a backfocus
Sharpness: 10    Aberrations: 10    Bokeh: 10    Autofocus: 10    Handling: 9    Value: 10    New or Used: New    Camera Used: k-3   

After k200d > k-5 and k-3 I will buy the k-1 next year, but I bought this lens to use it with the k-3 in the interval.

This lens would be used on the two cameras
24-70 on k-1
and 36-105 on k-3

it's a great lens on the k-3, my best zoom in anyway.
just a big backfocus (corrected by a +7 ) and after that it's my new walkaround/portrait lens

Edit: Just an other negative point : the flower shaped hood doesn't get strongly attached to the lens, take care of it if you walk a lot
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Registered: July, 2008
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA
Posts: 266

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Lens Review Date: August 1, 2016 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,297.00 | Rating: 10 

Pros: Sharp, color, bokeh
Cons: Big and heavy
Sharpness: 10    Aberrations: 10    Bokeh: 10    Autofocus: 10    Handling: 9    Value: 9    New or Used: New    Camera Used: K-1   

First, let me dispense with the negatives. Yes, it's huge and heavy. I don't know much about lens design but I thought that even with F2.8 it could be made a little bit smaller and lighter. OTOH, you get used to it (especially right after changing from DFA 70-200 )

This lens has quite a few positives: it's sharp, it's bright, color transmission is very good, very good bokeh, didn't notice any CA.
AF is fast and quiet.
This lens has a very useful feature - zoom lock; I didn't notice any zoom creep, though.
Mechanically it feels very solid.

The location of the zoom ring is a bit confusing but you get used to it pretty soon.

Another detail to be aware of is a bit of vignetting when using a regular (vs low profile) filter.

Overall, I'm very happy with the lens and highly recommend to anyone with K-1 (haven't used it on any other camera).
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Registered: September, 2006
Location: Central Plains of North America
Posts: 50

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Lens Review Date: August 1, 2016 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,296.95 | Rating: 9 

Pros: Seriously sharp, bright, and silent.
Cons: It's freaking ginormous! And doesn't feel entirely Pentaxy.
Sharpness: 10    Aberrations: 10    Bokeh: 10    Autofocus: 10    Handling: 8    Value: 9    New or Used: New    Camera Used: K-1   

First, props to Ricoh for arranging for a best of breed wide-angle to short tele zoom to be in place and awaiting the release of the full frame K-1 DSLR. It doesnít seem that thereís any debate about its sharpness and thereís no doubt it will become a workhorse for Pentaxians who need a sharp, fast full frame lens that covers the mid-range focal lengths. It has performed very well for me for the short amount of time Iíve had it. Itís sharp, has pleasing bokeh, and is fairly close-focusing. The auto focus is fast and very quiet.

However, anyone who is used to Pentax equipment is used to items that are for the most part fairly light and compact, and this lens is anything but. As one who has bought Pentax equipment sight unseen for 40 years via mail order and the internet, I can say without reservation that this is the first time Iíve ever been taken aback when opening the box when it arrived. Itís a big and heavy lens. Rondec does an excellent job describing and illustrating its size in his review but I didnít fully appreciate the information he provided until the lens was in my physical possession. Mounted, it feels a bit like a pickle jar has been screwed into the front of the camera. By way of comparison, the K-1/24-70 combo weighs in at a little over 4 lbs in contrast to the bit more than 2-1/2 lbs of the K-5/16-45 combo. I may have to engage in some extra 12 oz curls to prepare for the next all-day shoot.

Ok, enough about the size. Itís not a significant enough issue to keep me from using the lens, but it could be more important for some folks. If a lens of the same focal length range and quality was designed and produced with a max aperture of f/4, a third or half less bulk, and a price tag under $1,000, there would probably be a decent demand for it. At the bottom of this post, Iíve included a picture showing the lens next to an FA 77 f/1.8 Limited (maybe not fair, but I was amused). Also included is a picture showing from left to right, a(n) *ist Ds w/DA 18-55, a K-5 w/DA 16-45, and a K-1 w/DFA 24-70.

As others have noted, the zoom ring is at the front of the lens. This isnít especially noteworthy, except for a dirty little secret of mine that Iíd appreciate you keeping to yourself (highlight to see): I sometimes take pictures with the lens hood in the stowed position. As a result of this character flaw, it can be very awkward at times for me to grip and turn the zoom ring, a simple act that is not a problem with the other Pentax zooms I own.

In the miscellaneous items department, the lens comes with the standard Pentax center pinch lens cap which is next to useless for me as a center pinch cap due to the lack of texture on the pinch grips. Itís nothing new, but it would be nice if Ricoh decided to make a few cents worth of modification on this item they supply with a lens they charge $1,300 for. Iíll be pulling out the Dremel again to add some grooves to the grips.

Also, Iíd be very curious to know if anyone has been able to test this lens against the version with the VR guts to see if thereís any improvement in the optical performance with them removed.

In the Wide Angle Advantage of Full Frame thread, I posted some photos showing a qualitative comparison of the center resolution for APS-C and full frame wide angle lenses with similar fields of view on the K-1 in crop and full frame mode respectively. To provide more content to this review, I repeated the test with the target at the frame edge and added the DFA 24-70mm to the mix. The images are at the bottom of this post, and the APS-C crops have been upsampled to display at the same size as the full frame crops. The result is unscientific and unquantitative, but provides a sense of the difference in a qualitative sense. Iíd like to point out that the APS-C lenses started out at a disadvantage in the center resolution comparison due to the pixel pitch of the sensor, but the DFA 24-70 stresses the resolution of the sensor even at the edge of the frame. The pictures were taken with the same camera (K-1) mounted on a tripod in the same place. Distance was a little over 4 ft, aperture was f/5.6, 2 second timer, manual focus using live view at 16x magnification. YMMV.

To conclude, the DFA 24-70mm f/2.8 lens is a fine addition to any lens collection. I look forward to capturing many fine images with it, and I fully expect its performance will outweigh the disadvantages posed by its size in most situations I expect to find myself in.

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Registered: June, 2016
Location: Paris
Posts: 80

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Lens Review Date: June 26, 2016 I can recommend this lens: Yes | Price: $1,250.00 | Rating: 10 

Pros: sharp & fast
Cons: WR is bad
Sharpness: 10    Aberrations: 10    Bokeh: 10    Autofocus: 10    Handling: 10    Value: 10    New or Used: New    Camera Used: K-1   

Ok, so i bought this lens for 2 reasons:
i) i didn't like my FA* 28-70mm 2.8 not being IF ( the rotating front element bothered me)
ii) i wanted something better than my almost 3 year old screwdriven excellent Sigma EX DG Macro 24-70mm 2.8, with pentax WR and better coating, as my sigma seemed to blow highlights wide open.
It's not sharper than the Sigma. It's not AF faster either. They're equal. It's only better for highlights.
And i am deceived by the WR after 2 months of usage. It has dust particle inside the rear element. And a tiny something 0.5cm white hair-like thing under the front element.
The Sigma, not WR rated, survived tropical rains, salted ocean & sea water splashes, very dusty and sandy environnements and even oil paint splashes, and is today intact.

But I may have a rare bad copy of the Pentax and a rare good copy of the Sigma, so i still rate the Pentax 10 all over.
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